Gregory's ServerIf Meta is really working on a new ActivityPub-powered social network, I see it as a very positive signal overall--my personal feelings towards Meta notwithstanding. For one, it's validation for our entire ecosystem from the biggest player. It also tells me that they don't see themselves as strong enough to keep users locked inside their walled garden anymore. It means the tide is really turning for interoperable social media, and that's always been the goal.
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Tucker Teague
@Gargron My gut says to the degree that the nature of ActivityPub will not allow Meta (and other rich capitalist companies) to do what they want, they will then try to control it and change its very nature at some point and in some way we likely, today, think cannot be done and therefore will only learn about when it's too late.
Francois Heinderyckx
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@Gargron mh do you know anything about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace%2C_extend%2C_and_extinguish ? We don't want anything from the Silicon Valley here, please
Laure
@Gargron @elicitizen but they will monetize any way they can regardless of the source. They let opaque click bait scammers and info-operators takeover the platform just to drive engagement a little.
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Steve In Ashland
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Andy Wootton
@Gargron I don't entirely trust Meta but I do remember that Zuckerberg said he'd support open XMMP chat, until he was royally stuffed by Google. 
Dec.tar.bz2
@Gargron It'll be like September 1993 all over again. I am joking, of course. But I'm going to keep my @spacehey account alive, just in case.
Sam Seltzer-Johnston
@Gargron between Meta and Tumblr having said they'd integrate with ActivityPub I think it's clear which way the wind is blowing. 
Mikal with a k
Would this be anything more than a big Meta data-sucking needle stuck in the fediverse against the wishes of us who came here to escape that? Can someone please explain how that would not be the case?
medically induced weed coma
@Gargron Facebook Messenger used to support XMPP too and we all know how that played out
Brad Koehn
@Gargron They’ll do the same thing to ActivityPub that Facebook and Google did to XMPP. Slurp up the users and then dump it. Don’t federate to any server unless it is open source and doesn’t exploit its users. 
Helle (@ CCC Camp 📞 4355)
@Gargron I see it as a very negative signal, remember what they and Google did to XMPP. Remember the Microsoft motto of EEE Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. Meta is a centralising curse on the Internet and are just seeing new people to foist work onto, while increasing dataminig/advertising potential. Until they grow bored and slam the garden shut.
Mr. Teatime
@gargron They come to conquer, not to coexist. 
🐙 Compañero Allende 🇵🇸
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Captain of the CSS Enterprise
@Gargron I'll say it now. This is NOT a good idea, and it will have SIGNIFICANT consequences.
Hahahagida
@Gargron I have been here for a month now, had this page on Hatebook/Metahate for 8-9 years, my personal account for 16 years or so ... sick of FB/Meta by now. That is why I am here 😄
Keith 🇺🇸🇪🇺🇮🇪🇺🇦
Let's not forget Microsoft's "embrace, extend, extinguish" business model, which could be employed by Facebook here. By adopting and using the standard, Facebook can drive its evolution. Everybody else plays catch-up and is always behind. Facebook doesn't have to join the fediverse. If Facebook is forced join the fediverse (government regulations) or decides to join, Facebook will be the only platform always up to date. Etc., etc.
MEActNOW
@Gargron I've been using www.spoutible.com 🐳 and am loving it. It's a much easier transition from Twitter, especially for those with #Mecfs and #LongCovid #BrainFog - it's been in beta since February 1st and is rolling!
Mad Sci ∴
@Gargron Meta are E.E.E. to the extreme. Any innovation that gains traction in any social media platform is immediately cloned by Meta to stamp out the pesky competition before it can get a toehold. That’s all AP is to them, pesky competition that needs to be wiped out.
Daniel "DazzaJay" Fitzgerald🇦🇺
@Gargron I'm not super smart with all of this. Does Meta using ActivityPub mean their new system will link in with Mastodon the way other actual Mastodon servers will? Or will it not work with Mastodon? Or? How will this work?
Asahi 95 :v_bi: :debian_logo:
@Gargron This is rather completely false and I unfortunately can't agree with you. Meta/Facebook has not changed at all. They still are the same old privacy-invasive Big Tech company from many years ago that have not learned anything from their terrible past. You are fooling yourself by welcoming them. They are going to ruin the Fediverse as we know it. Reconsider your decision, as you are making a terrible mistake. |
@Gargron I'm confident you're familiar with the historical threat that would present, and hopefully you share the analysis that corporate actors will invest in the most adverse possible interpretation of and engagement with what we've created here. We can only expect them to extract as much and return as little benefit as possible, in force and at scale. Full preparation for its corrosion is impossible.