@Gargron @charles_ex

@Gargron mh do you know anything about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace%2C_extend%2C_and_extinguish ?

We don't want anything from the Silicon Valley here, please

@Gargron @elicitizen but they will monetize any way they can regardless of the source. They let opaque click bait scammers and info-operators takeover the platform just to drive engagement a little.

@Gargron
Yeah, great! We have seen this with other protocols in the past, e.g. #xmpp.
Nearly everyone uses xmpp nowadays.

@gargron
Eigentlich ist das ja ne Spezialität von Microsoft, aber auch hier würde ich es "Umarmung des Todes" nennen.

@Gargron
Meta is not the ally you seem to think they are; not even a beneficial collaborator. They are an apex predator and consume the concept of the Fediverse if they can, or will chew it up and spit out the remains if they can’t.

@Gargron I don't entirely trust Meta but I do remember that Zuckerberg said he'd support open XMMP chat, until he was royally stuffed by Google.

@Gargron
they don't want to offend anyone. bad for business

@Gargron
Yay for any ZuckCorp platforms getting federated. I can't wait!

It'll be like September 1993 all over again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

I am joking, of course.

But I'm going to keep my @spacehey account alive, just in case.

@Gargron between Meta and Tumblr having said they'd integrate with ActivityPub I think it's clear which way the wind is blowing.

@Gargron

Would this be anything more than a big Meta data-sucking needle stuck in the fediverse against the wishes of us who came here to escape that?

Can someone please explain how that would not be the case?

@Gargron I can't help thinking they have a hidden agenda.

@Gargron Facebook Messenger used to support XMPP too and we all know how that played out

@Gargron They’ll do the same thing to ActivityPub that Facebook and Google did to XMPP. Slurp up the users and then dump it. Don’t federate to any server unless it is open source and doesn’t exploit its users.

@Gargron they were interoperable with XMMP, and then dropped that.

@Gargron what are your feelings towards Meta?

@Gargron I see it as a very negative signal, remember what they and Google did to XMPP. Remember the Microsoft motto of EEE Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

Meta is a centralising curse on the Internet and are just seeing new people to foist work onto, while increasing dataminig/advertising potential. Until they grow bored and slam the garden shut.

@gargron
Meta does noting if they don't think they can "capture the market". Non-captive audiences are not profitable.

They come to conquer, not to coexist.

@Gargron come on man, don't be a bimbo

@Gargron
is this a case of the axe claiming it's one of us because of its handle?

https://mastodon.online/@veerleslegers/110010609789422466

@Gargron bullshit, you clearly do not understand most of your users

@Gargron I'll say it now. This is NOT a good idea, and it will have SIGNIFICANT consequences.

@Gargron

#fediblock

@Gargron I suspect it'll be something that is in fact centralized but they're thinking about some sort of federation option via activity pub that they'll probably make sure is broken

@Gargron the interesting question is, what comes after advertising? People are increasingly rejecting it, and you cannot have free speech on an ad-supported site.

@Gargron I have been here for a month now, had this page on Hatebook/Metahate for 8-9 years, my personal account for 16 years or so ... sick of FB/Meta by now. That is why I am here 😄

@Gargron
Even if they don't end up trying EEE, I'm still worried about data collection... I certainly won't be approving any follow requests from users on there; I don't want my posts being sent to Facebook.

@Gargron just don't ever forget what happened to XMPP and the dreaded three words: embrace, extend, extinguish

@Gargron

Let's not forget Microsoft's "embrace, extend, extinguish" business model, which could be employed by Facebook here.

By adopting and using the standard, Facebook can drive its evolution. Everybody else plays catch-up and is always behind.

Facebook doesn't have to join the fediverse. If Facebook is forced join the fediverse (government regulations) or decides to join, Facebook will be the only platform always up to date.

Etc., etc.

@Gargron so what? they were federated years ago with XMPP to boost popularity and finally after achieving goal they did disconnect. dreams are good ;P

@Gargron I've been using www.spoutible.com 🐳 and am loving it. It's a much easier transition from Twitter, especially for those with #Mecfs and #LongCovid #BrainFog - it's been in beta since February 1st and is rolling!
I hope people don't go to another VC FUNDED PLATFORM like Meta. I won't join a Zuckerberg alternative for twitter.

@Gargron
Wish I shared your optimism.

Meta are E.E.E. to the extreme. Any innovation that gains traction in any social media platform is immediately cloned by Meta to stamp out the pesky competition before it can get a toehold.

That’s all AP is to them, pesky competition that needs to be wiped out.

@Gargron I'm not super smart with all of this. Does Meta using ActivityPub mean their new system will link in with Mastodon the way other actual Mastodon servers will? Or will it not work with Mastodon? Or? How will this work?

@Gargron This is rather completely false and I unfortunately can't agree with you. Meta/Facebook has not changed at all. They still are the same old privacy-invasive Big Tech company from many years ago that have not learned anything from their terrible past. You are fooling yourself by welcoming them. They are going to ruin the Fediverse as we know it.

Reconsider your decision, as you are making a terrible mistake.