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Mike Masnick ✅

Anyway, now that a ton of journalists are flocking back to Mastodon... you should read my article about how all your articles about Mastodon "slumping" were bullshit. techdirt.com/2023/02/08/lazy-r

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@mmasnick

Anyways it'll be back on the rise now 😂

thepoliticalcat

@mmasnick This must feel encouraging to you. You're the only person who's writing about tech who seems to have a good understanding of the industry (disclaimer: I haven't read everyone reporting on tech, my initial experience being somewhat unimpressive).

Tony Serrata 🇺🇦:verified:

@mmasnick That's because they were trying to manipulate people to go by the other RW Billionaire funded platform of Post. Easy correlation to see who wrote those articles and see who's on Post and possibly benefitting from it monetarily.

Jasmine

@noyes @antonioserrata @mmasnick

I don't care for Post. Reuters charges "points" to read some of their articles there that I can read free on multiple platforms.

phatone

@mmasnick It's the capitalist viewpoint of making a lot of money is not enough, you need to make all the money.

Jim Lillicotch

@mmasnick
No good sports guys yet. Of course, #Pittsburgh is a Burgh, we'll be last

JM

@mmasnick
Nicely said. This part rings truest for me:

"""
The fediverse might not ever get as big as these other sites, and it doesn’t need to. It’s already hit critical mass to be an extremely useful site . . .
"""

I don't know if it's the Silicon Valley mindset or what: that if your tech offering doesn't dominate the world and earn fat returns for investors, that it's somehow a failure.

I know the fedi will continue to evolve, but for me and many others, it's already greatly useful.

@mmasnick
Nicely said. This part rings truest for me:

"""
The fediverse might not ever get as big as these other sites, and it doesn’t need to. It’s already hit critical mass to be an extremely useful site . . .
"""

I don't know if it's the Silicon Valley mindset or what: that if your tech offering doesn't dominate the world and earn fat returns for investors, that it's somehow a failure.

グレェ「grey」

@bezorp there is definitely some sort of monopolistic mindset that has infected the Bay Area. Where at least one billboard in recent years read: "One app to replace them all".

Somehow, invoking The One Ring, aka the Ruling Ring aka Isildur's Bane, was considered a "good thing" by a PR department?

I mean, I know I live in a ring of hell, but JFC, that billboard (and associated unnamed app[s]) had zero tact.

Then again, the Salesforce Tower was known to display the Eye of Sauron.;(

@mmasnick

Karyl :godot: :procreate:

@bezorp @mmasnick Yep. And mastodon has been going for what… 6 years already? 7? Seems like, if there was some fatal flaw in the concept of the entire platform, it would’ve been found by now.

Soldier of FORTRAN :ReBoot:​

@bezorp @mmasnick I remember reading these exact kinds of articles about Linux, apache, opensource, etc. In the late 90s early 00s

Invisible Marcel

@mmasnick I wish I could boost this post multiple times.

Brahn

@mmasnick After I read that the "slump" was a sampling a single instance, I waved off reporting on Mastodon. Newsies aren't going to grasp it.

segv11

@Brahn @mmasnick Lazy reporting lives on metrics, and that's something that Mastodon lacks by choice. I can't imagine that a spider for collecting metrics would be welcome.

Brahn

@segv11 @mmasnick

that... sounds like a challenge. 🤔

segv11

@Brahn @mmasnick The coding would be somewhat tough, but dodging the tomatoes and rotten eggs will be the real challenge.

Ben Thompson

@mmasnick Very much like your concluding paragraph. This with bells on: "it's already hit critical mass to be an extremely useful site".

Steve Umstead :coffeecup:

@mmasnick Oh dear, what happened on the birdsite that we have another wave coming? I’ve been (blissfully) unaware.

Steve Umstead :coffeecup:

@paul @mmasnick I did hear about the new 4k version, which sounds like absolute hell.

Paul Chambers

@steveumstead @mmasnick

That Seth A. guy, who does the long, 100 tweet threads, will be tweeting out novels now. 😜 😉

Someone :suckless:

@steveumstead Eh, Pleroma's default character limit was five thousand and it worked fine when I used it.

Hardworking American

@mmasnick The safest investment in all of finance: Musk is and will continue to be a self-absorbed dick.

Lee 🌏

@mmasnick
I'm expecting to see a lot more stories like this.
As the corporations realise they are losing data, they used to capture on Facebook and Twitter. As they lose advertising opportunities. As they can no longer buy their way into top spot. As the Far Right realise, their hate is not tolerated and can't spread as easily. As Right Wing media struggles to get its favourite narratives to dominate the News cycle.
Expect to see more stores like this.

Lee Fife

@mmasnick I suspect the journalists were covering from themselves: both for not having the skills and attention to engage (most of what I saw) and for experiencing extreme dopamine withdrawal as they didn't get the clicks and RTs they live for ...

Tim @toolbear@ Taylor

@mmasnick
Talking only of my experience, my use of Mastodon is most of the way caught up to Twitter in terms of fulfillment. Enough close friends are here. Enough parasocial friends are here.

The worst drawback thus far is a big gap in the journalists, bloggers, & regular folk I followed, especially BIPOC folk. #MastodonSoWhite

A few Twitter holdouts like Gaslit Nation & Rewire Newsgroup I subscribe to their podcast or support their Patreon. I miss reading their day to day posts, though.

@mmasnick
Talking only of my experience, my use of Mastodon is most of the way caught up to Twitter in terms of fulfillment. Enough close friends are here. Enough parasocial friends are here.

The worst drawback thus far is a big gap in the journalists, bloggers, & regular folk I followed, especially BIPOC folk. #MastodonSoWhite

FinalOverdrive

@mmasnick Yeah, they now look a lot like the president of IBM

Arnel Šarić Sharan :verified:

@mmasnick
Good one. It's lazy journalism in years of constant refreshing of the news feed. They're forced to experiment with something for less than a week and write a "deep analysis".

I consider editors and media owners cause of problems, not only journalists in question.

Green Hombre

@mmasnick I have charity PR clients who I keep asking, "What's your plan B?" Today was a great day send another reminder email they need to get on Mastodon.

Greengordon

@mmasnick

“I’m not sure how going from 600k to 2.6 million in just a couple of months can be deemed “a slump.”

Jimmy Barnes

@mmasnick I've dumped Twitter and committed to mastodon but it's harder to use and hardly anyone says anything. I really thought subscribed to Ars and /. accounts would change that but no one comments on those articles either. Where are people talking?

Mike Masnick ✅

@jimmybb you gotta follow more than 12 people, guy, before you can say "hardly anyone says anything."

Try followgraph and follow a lot more people. followgraph.vercel.app/

Jimmy Barnes

@mmasnick thank you, I didn't know who to follow. I'm like a new born babe 😂

FinchHaven

@jimmybb @mmasnick

Invest some time on Mastodon and camp on your Local feed, for starters

You're not going to see any activity if you're not on, and not looking in the best place

KingStewart

@jimmybb @mmasnick have you tried following hashtags? I went from a handful of posts to a full timeline the second I did that.

Matt Ferrel

@jimmybb @mmasnick you need to follow WAY more than 12 people. Follow hashtags too

nickapos :clubtwit:

@jimmybb @mmasnick follow people liberally and your local timeline will be quite active

Thierna

@jimmybb @mmasnick look for hashtags of stuff that interests you.

And follow more people. You need about 100 people to follow to make your feed look interesting. We can't all post all the time. Follow people from different timezones makes your feed lively no matter what time you look at it.

Also go to local or federated timeline and follow more people. You can always unfollow later if they post stuff you don't like that much.

UnderScore

@mmasnick been using it since the whole mess started. If anything it’s only gotten better. Those journalists are full of it.

MyCart 🛒

It was crap like these “slump” articles that made me think I shouldn’t invest myself or my time in the FediVerse/Mastodon.

@mmasnick

FlyVåpen_Pikk ✅️

@mmasnick Your Honor, I present Exhibit A to the court, effectively titled: "rightfully rubbing their GD noses in it".

Good heaping slice of humble pie with some karma syrup applied liberally on top for good measure. 😏

Sean Tilley

@mmasnick One thought that I have, in reaction to those other articles: publications like The Guardian have a vested interest in staying on centralized outrage platforms like Twitter, because that's where a huge amount of their traffic comes from.

In a space like ours, they are literally powerless.

Lucius Annaeus Seneca

@mmasnick
These journalists don't know how to look at data. Not only are only a small fraction of #Twitter accounts active, a lot of those active accounts are bots and trolls. I still have a #Twitter account, to interact with a group of dedicated pro-EU Britons, but I spend far more time on THIS platform. I find it to be time well spent, as opposed to arguing with faceless fascists who may be just bots. The right metric would be average account ACTIVITY by real users, excluding trolls/bots.

mashbooq

@mmasnick yeah, the instant I saw the first "Mastodon is slumping" article, I knew it was because the authors were trying to go back to Twitter

Mark F. Buckley

@mmasnick ... Engaged users is the whole ballgame, so to speak. I don't deal with anyone hiding his identity.

anggiar :dumpsterfire:

@mmasnick somewhat agree with the slump tho. Especially when Twitter is stable-ish now (in term of controversy) things are defini looks slowing down.

Mike Masnick ✅

@anggiar haven't noticed it at all myself. Not sure what I'm missing, but it's been pretty non-stop busy.

McNeely

@mmasnick I will fully admit that I haven't gotten around to reading either article you mentioned but I would be curious to know if they have a methodology in place for handling users who move instances. If a user goes from one to another does that look like a decrease in usage to these counters even if it's only ever been one person the whole time?

And I'm sure they're not taking instances below a certain threshold?

Benjamin Leis ✅

@mmasnick the mau drop doesn't seem to have bottomed out yet though so it's a bit premature to celebrate the long term growth. I wish there were more stats on overall traffic.

Echo Delta :vivaldi_blue:

@mmasnick they're all back because the Birdsite, Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube are down...but the Fediverse isn't! 🙌

Thomas H Jones II

@mmasnick

I left FB for Plus back in 2012. When Google decided Plus was one of their jillion failed experiments and shuttered it, I didn't return to FB. Similarly, if Mastodon fizzles, it won't mean going back to Twitter. I'm reasonably certain I'm not alone in the "once I've left, I don't go back" tendency. Which is to say, whether Mastodon fails to thrive, I don't think it returns any luster Twitter might have had.

Mark Darbyshire

@mmasnick I also wonder if the peak could have been artificially inflated by users playing on multiple instances before deciding which one to stick with.

valkraider :verified:

@mmasnick Your article makes valid points. But possibly the best part is in the comments, and the sheer number of “This comment has been flagged by the community” posts. Someone is fired up!

valkraider :verified:

@mmasnick there are so many that scrolling through it looks redacted like the Kennedy assassination report.

Peter Skov Larsen

@mmasnick

I'm getting a distinct abusive relationship vibe from those who have left Twitter, returned, and are now leaving again.

I suspect this leaving and returning to Twitter will go on for quite a while.

I'm not joking or being smug here. It's an existential crisis for many of these people. The last thing they need is ridicule or scorn.

xinit ☕

@mmasnick I just saw that Wired slump story this morning. Tired: Wired. Wired: Tired.

MC

@mmasnick Define "ton". Picking up m a now that I've l-ed it o.

Grant Cruickshank

@mmasnick

Are there stats compiled for the whole Fediverse? I'd be interested to see growth (or otherwise) across the whole sector.

Oh, and that article about MySpace is GOLD. I wonder how long his "Natural Monopoly" theory lasted after it collapsed. 😄

Mike Masnick ✅

@GTLC I mean all the stats are somewhat questionable because it depends on which instances report them, but I use these sites generally: fediverse.observer/stats and the-federation.info/

Grant R. Gulovsen

@mmasnick I love the article! But the comments! Do all your articles attract this much crazy? 😳

Mike Masnick ✅

@gulovsen haha. it's mainly one troll who showed up a couple months ago and gets pretty worked up about any twitter/mastodon articles we post. The community is pretty good at responding to him/voting down his comments.

newsorpigal

@mmasnick

Those are not journalists. Those are minor celebrities who happen to talk about current events.

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@mmasnick I see you’ve fallen into the all too common trap of expecting honest journalism from The Guardian.

Infrapink (he/his/him)

@mmasnick
Tis interesting that even after #RegressionToTheMean is taken into account, the Fediverse has seen a meteoric rise. The mean itself has increased, which pleases me.

Ben Writin’ Movies

@mmasnick They should but they won’t. Journalists don’t like it if you call them out on their 🐂💩 which is why they get away with it so often. 🤨

Shannon

@mmasnick I’ve started using this app daily after finally deleting Instagram and TikTok over the weekend. This is my first comment under any post on here.

Michael Robinson

@mmasnick It's amazing that people who present themselves as journalists are so easily thwarted by surface details.

There are people who dig in to figure out what's going on, what works, what could be better, etc, but few of them call themselves journalists.

Sean O

@mmasnick Mastodon is boring because the algorithm isn’t fueling rage engagement which is a lazy reporter’s bread and butter.

“Somebody is mad on the internet”: fulfilling deadlines since 1994.

Scott D. Strader

@mmasnick

"Musking up Twitter" lol. Definitely an idiom that should catch on.

"Don't be such a musk up! Stop musking around." "I installed the new version of the OS and now my computer is totally musked." "You can just musk off, buddy."

Robin Brenizer 🪷

@mmasnick my observation is they come here to dump content then get upset when it gets no traction. They don’t follow anyone so they don’t see anything interesting. They don’t get the way this works. If they followed people they’d have higher engagement and more interesting content. On Twitter follow ratio mattered to the algorithm. Here it doesn’t.

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