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Chris Trottier

🚨BIG NEWS🚨

Buffer just added Mastodon as one of its supported social networks!

Amongst social media professionals this is HUGE!

See screenshots!

coywolf.news/social/buffer-add

100 comments
Chris Trottier

Big thanks to @henshaw for breaking this story.

Also, did you manage to get any Pixelfed or Peertube accounts to work with Buffer?

Chris Trottier

Buffer adding Mastodon is just another example of the momentum that the Fediverse now has amongst developers -- and how this is going to push adoption forward.

This is the *real* story about Mastodon's growth during the past three months.

Chris Trottier

Yes, the first wave of Fediverse adoption came from people looking for a Twitter replacement.

But the next wave of adoption is going to come from an ecosystem of apps.

Why?

Because some of those Twitter migrants were developers.

And once they played around with the code, they all remembered how nice it is to build something on an open protocol.

Chris Trottier

Why are developers supporting the Fediverse even though the Fediverse "only" has 10 million accounts?

Because the Fediverse offers something developers crave: stability.

As Twitter already demonstrated, they can remove API access from developers for many bullshit reasons -- with no explanation.

No company should ever depend on Twitter's API -- or any Big Social API for that matter.

But ActivityPub is a W3C-backed web standard. It is an open protocol. Unlike Twitter, it is more trustworthy.

Chris Trottier

No, the story about the Fediverse's growth isn't about MAUs -- not that MAUs can be calculated precisely anyway.

The *real* story -- the one that the tech press should be writing about -- is the growth in:

1. Posts
2. Nodes
3. Apps

This is the beginning of a paradigm shift in social media and how it works.

Chris Trottier

Look, if I'm a social media app developer, I'm going to look for something that offers me two things:

1. Network effect - something people actively use
2. Protocol and API stability - something that won't change due to someone else's whims

This means the Fediverse.

Chris Trottier

Once developers en masse start developing for a platform, that's when the fun starts.

The iPhone didn't get interesting until developers made apps for it.

Ditto with the web.

We haven't even scratched the full potential for ActivityPub.

Chris Trottier

Last week, I said that Twitter would regret screwing over developers.

In fact, this is a colossal screw-up by inestimable orders of magnitude.

This will be apparent when all those former Twitter developers start releasing Fediverse apps.

It's not just going to happen -- it's happening!

Jon

@atomicpoet Humans quickly forget and accept the easy way. Aren't the journalists starting to go back?

Chris Trottier

@DarkWraithLord The only journalists who adopted the Fediverse en masse were adjacent to tech culture.

And most of them just lurked a day then returned to Twitter.

These folks are followers, not early adopters.

Chris Trottier replied to Ian

@ianbetteridge @DarkWraithLord Well, don't get me wrong. A minority of journalists aren't so willing to suck on Twitter's teat.

Beth replied to Chris

@atomicpoet @ianbetteridge @DarkWraithLord

I do not understand the Twitter Journalist. If the object is to get your work read, you establish yourself on all the platforms. You expand your reach. I don't understand 1/20th of whys of the fediverse, but I did this: it will get your work to a larger audience than if you post exclusively on Twitter.

Eliot Lovell

@atomicpoet it certainly is - I’m testing three of them already 😊

Paul Lalonde

@atomicpoet "Twitter no longer supports extenal applications, including this one. Would you like our help to migrate to Mastodon?"

Beth

@atomicpoet

"Twitter would regret..."

That is the best line in this thread.

Andreas K

@atomicpoet
The reminder is that privately owned APIs are exactly that. Privately owned. Any (commercial) success based on such a thing can be taken away at any time.

It's like building your castle on quicksand.

BTW that does not apply only to Web API. Think how many times Android or ios changed what is allowed. And if your use case does not fit the new rules your feudal overlord decreed, though luck.

Jan

@atomicpoet Companies like Buffer using the Mastodon API. ActivityPub is used by Mastodon for network federation. The majority of devs using the Mastodon API not the ActivityPub protocol.

Chris Trottier

@jan You can't exactly de-couple the Mastodon API from ActivityPub protocol.

No matter, the Mastodon API is also open source.

Other apps, like Pixelfed, use the Mastodon API.

Jan

@atomicpoet You can use the Mastodon API without knowing anything about the ActivityPub protocol. That makes life easy for all developers.

No, Pixelfed uses the ActivityPub protocol, not the Mastodon API :)

Chris Trottier

@jan Pixelfed uses both ActivityPub protocol and Mastodon's API -- although it has recently diverged.

See attached screenshot.

Jan

@atomicpoet Where can I find the source code of the Pixelfed app? The Pixelfed repo on Github uses the AP protocol.

Kelson's Sorta Old Account

@atomicpoet @jan there are plenty of platforms that use ActivityPub but not the Mastodon API.

AcrivityPub is how all the servers talk to each other.

The Mastodon API is one of many ways they can talk to client-side apps.

Chris Trottier

@KelsonV @jan Yes, I'm aware of that.

What I'm saying is that you can't exactly use Mastodon's API without ActivityPub.

I mean, maybe someone can go ahead and do it. For what reason, I don't know.

Jan

@atomicpoet @KelsonV The purpose of an API is to abstract complexity like ActivityPub. You can use the Mastodon API without knowing anything about ActivityPub:

docs.joinmastodon.org/client/i

For what reason? Simple to publish posts, to read your timeline, etc.

Jess👾

@atomicpoet What would be really interesting to see is if other social media platforms build their own ActivityPub handlers. It would be pretty wild to be able to follow a subreddits or Tumblr groups from a Mastodon app.

Tunguska

@JessTheUnstill @atomicpoet
Tumblr in particular has already announced plans to do so.

Kevin Karhan :verified:

@atomicpoet Exactly.

Whilst some instances may restrict or ban certain functions, that doesn't mean one can't implement it.

In fact, I know some folks do #SelfHosting of #Mastodon due to extensive blocklists by other instances, and they want 100% control.

Only #MultiVendor / #MultiProvider & #FLOSS - based #Standards can provide that.

That's why #OpenStandards don't die out:
Regardless if Telephony, Fax, SMS, eMail, XMPP, IRC, SIP, SSH or OpenVPN.

They can't be killed like #Twitter's #API!

@atomicpoet Exactly.

Whilst some instances may restrict or ban certain functions, that doesn't mean one can't implement it.

In fact, I know some folks do #SelfHosting of #Mastodon due to extensive blocklists by other instances, and they want 100% control.

Only #MultiVendor / #MultiProvider & #FLOSS - based #Standards can provide that.

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@atomicpoet indeed, it is about developer mind share and where people who collaborate want to be.

Steve Tanner

@atomicpoet I've been testing the Buffer integration as well. Pretty smooth like other networks. And yes, I agree. This opens the door - good or bad - to the bigger players as part of an overall messaging mix. The next step after that would probably be analytics/metrics, I'd guess.

Kelley Graham
@atomicpoet been a longtime buffer user. Was considering dropping since I don’t do much outside the fediverse. Now will give it a try when I comes out of beta.
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@atomicpoet kudos to the developer who added the 4 extra lines in the backend to do this!*

*I'm joking, but accessing Mastodon from a 3rd party source is SO MUCH EASIER than Twitter etc

Chris Trottier

@nus It really should be easy, shouldn't it?

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@atomicpoet I could write some code from an "F12" JavaScript console within a few minutes to post toots saying anything I wanted. It practically (somewhat literally) writes itself.

IMO the trickiest part that you saw there is actually the visual side, where they show you 5 instances and let you choose your own. The rest of it -- the authentication token, the API -- is really dead simple. Kudos to Mastodon for making it that way.

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@atomicpoet case in point, that's where this came from

SwedishSoap

@atomicpoet
That’s interesting!

I wonder what type of content will get posted as a result of this tool. Do you think more big businesses are actually going to start posting on Mastodon? Or will this be more useful for the average user who wants to schedule posts?

Shoq

@atomicpoet as you and all us Fedi cheerleaders have been saying: the apps and toolmakers are coming. And sooner than many think. They will inevitably bring brands and the opportunity to reinvent sponsorship and advertising in community-sensitive ways. They don't have to generate the kinds of absurd ad dollars the old ways did. I believe in the end they will make more.

cc @mmasnick @evan @jeffjarvis @dangillmor @anildash @KevinMarks @tchambers @Green_Footballs @elipariser

Aaron :apple_inc: :isles:

@atomicpoet @cliffwade I'm on the beta and tried @buffer earlier today. Worked great! I gotta get some things written into the queue, but I'm hopeful it works as well on Mastodon as well as it does for Twitter and LinkedIn.

Cliff Wade :novaLauncher:

@Aaron @atomicpoet @buffer I've never really used Buffer to be honest. Isn't it for auto posting things to platforms such as Mastodon, Twitter or whatever?

Aaron :apple_inc: :isles:

@cliffwade @atomicpoet @buffer Yup! It's nice to schedule stuff, especially at times when I'm close to publishing a new TimeMachiner edition.

Not that I do lots of marketing stuff, but it's nice to try to keep getting the word out there at times.

Cliff Wade :novaLauncher:

@Aaron Maybe I should start using it for certain posts of mine.

My question is, does it work well with attaching images or links and stuff like that and then having it post automatically here?

Aaron :apple_inc: :isles:

@cliffwade Yup. You can attach images and also links. I haven't tried it for Mastodon specifically (I only enabled it today) but it's always worked for Tw and LI when I've posted there.

Erik Uden :verified:

It’s so hilarious that Mastodon CAN schedule posts but only through the API.

Every other Fediverse software allows you to schedule posts, but Mastodon requires you to use third party services! That’s really funny ^ ^

https://youtu.be/oXTv3SZT7ao

Nicola D'Agostino

@atomicpoet Finally! I have been bugging them for a couple of months. ;-)

Samir Al-Battran

@atomicpoet while I think it is great that they are joining the flock now

It's inaccurate to say they are the first. We added support last year
tweepsmap.com/blog/social-medi

And has been working for a while!

And was covered on TC
techcrunch.com/2022/12/10/this

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@atomicpoet while I think it is great that they are joining the flock now

It's inaccurate to say they are the first. We added support last year
tweepsmap.com/blog/social-medi

And has been working for a while!

And was covered on TC
techcrunch.com/2022/12/10/this

Samir Al-Battran

@atomicpoet sorry, I didn't mean you, but the article you shared says that!

cc/ @jon

cybr-rat - bits byted

@atomicpoet "mastodon" doesn't have any advertising "thus far", lets change that!

So, any way for a user to block the "buffer" client identifier or do we have to ask an admin to zap the useragent?

Eric Johnson, Author

@atomicpoet I don't know what you're looking at but it's not one of the supported channels yet for me. I'll wait until it's done.

Matthew Burton

@atomicpoet there’s a non-zero chance Twitter revokes the API tokens of any platform that supports Mastodon.

Chris Trottier

@matthewburton I wouldn't doubt that.

But that's also more than anti-competitive 👮

Clay Rivers

@atomicpoet
I loved Buffer until Twitter started suppressing Buffer-ed tweet—fasting buckstards. 😒

Clay Rivers

@atomicpoet
Sometimes the priority is to get the post /toot out to your readers. Multitasking is a good thing. Thanks for the heads-up, Chris!

Impress The Net

@atomicpoet Woot!! Immediately swapping out my #FoulFowl account with my Mastodon account!

Cossidhon

@atomicpoet So, does this mean we will get an influx of ad’s targeting hashtags?

Chris Trottier

@fredvanzwieten If you're seeing spam, don't just block that shit, report it to the offending instance admin.

And if the instance admin approves of spam, block the instance.

Shaula Evans

@atomicpoet Is there any news yet on whether Buffer for Mastodon will support:
1. CWs
2. Prescheduling Boosts
3. Threads
and also which plans the Mastodon features will be available for?

Chris Trottier

@ShaulaEvans Good questions! I haven't used the beta yet.

Chris Boese

@atomicpoet Buffer is also a really terrific company in many ways, so it really makes sense they’d do this

Seasons of Jason

@atomicpoet @jon This makes my entire year! Important question: Do you know if Buffer can/will provide any analytics for organizations? (For example, I manage @thunderbird, and while I loathe engagement metrics for my personal accounts, for organizations they're pretty important.)

Backphil

@atomicpoet I have no idea what this means. Just tell me it’s bad for Twitter and I’m happy 😃

Paul Sutton

@atomicpoet
Yay, this is great news and hopefully headline grabbing too. So the publicity / reporting of this will give us much needed exposure and promotion.

A big thank you to buffer for this.

Ronald

@atomicpoet
Great! I stopped using buffer when I left Twit, but it's a great tool, and I was hoping they would add support for Mastodon.
@feditips

Michael Veale

@atomicpoet they also had it easy as unlike most social media services, mastodon has a post scheduling API.

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