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Григорий Клюшников

lostinlight, again — that's exactly the wrong thing. No one wants to follow random people. NO ONE. Most want to find people they already know. Finding someone with common interests is a very much secondary activity on social media.

Mastodon did have a thing where you connected your Twitter account and it matched your Twitter follows against its database of Twitter<->Mastodon connections. But this was a single point of failure: it ran on a single server, and it used a single app ID, that stopped working when Eugen deleted his Twitter account. They weren't able to get it working again.

Now, my idea is to avoid single points of failure at all costs, and most preferably extract contact lists out of centralized services without their consent — no way in hell they're giving one. So, if necessary, I'll have to resort to things like importing GDPR export archives, or even parsing their websites. APIs would work too, but only where API access doesn't require a manual pre-approval (for example VK).

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lostinlight

@grishka I disagree that a social network blooms only on Facebook / Whatsapp model. Many users on Twitter, Instagram, etc., enjoy finding strangers and new content by interests. A very large ammount of social networks is built on this concept. Many still use VK specifically for its communities that unite random people. Telegram became popular in part due to its chats/channels. I wish you luck with your idea, but also encourage you not to dismiss the importance of good UX connecting strangers ;)

Григорий Клюшников

lostinlight, I do have groups for that purpose. Yes, connecting strangers is important, but — as I said — secondary. Being able to find strangers with common interests isn't what locks people into Facebook/Instagram/Twitter/VK/whatever — it's the connections with people they know IRL. And thus, to liberate these people from these greedy creeps, we need to provide for that use case and make it as effortless as possible to switch.

Sean Tilley
@grishka @lightone @dansup while I agree with your point in spirit about "nobody wants to join a network to follow strangers", one curious thing is that this has largely been an ongoing foundational part in how the fediverse has bootstrapped a large part of its userbase.

You're correct in the sense that it might not be the thing that scales up the network to the next couple million users. But, it does serve the network pretty well in facilitating engagement and keeping people here.

TBH, what's really lacking is a good app / data standard to migrate people to the fediverse while retaining their contacts, and maybe their content as well.
@grishka @lightone @dansup while I agree with your point in spirit about "nobody wants to join a network to follow strangers", one curious thing is that this has largely been an ongoing foundational part in how the fediverse has bootstrapped a large part of its userbase.
Григорий Клюшников

deadsuperhero, importing GDPR export archives! I'll research that at some point.

I've read somewhere that Facebook helped people switch from MySpace by literally logging into their MySpace accounts and synchronizing stuff. As in, when they posted something on Facebook, it got automatically cross-posted to MySpace.

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