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Wiredfire :BA:

@jonasnuts @jurjen_heeck @awarsing @twit_terrorist @Gargron You’re right, people are toxic not features but people use features and we ignore that at our peril.

You don’t have to be just a booster. Start your own conversation based on something you’ve seen! It takes fractionally more effort and is massively more valuable to the community.

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Jonasnuts

@wiredfire it’s what I’m doing. But I want to credit the author of the original ideia, thus the qrt. I’m using link to the original toot, mention of the author (it it makes sense, sometimes it doesn’t), and ad my comment. With the new link preview it’s almost the same. @jurjen_heeck @awarsing @twit_terrorist @Gargron

Wiredfire :BA:

@jonasnuts @jurjen_heeck @awarsing @twit_terrorist @Gargron you can credit the author without a quote.
You can even link to their original post without a quote.
You can achieve everything you’re wanting to without exposing the problematic side of quotes, which is why they weren’t implemented in the first place.

Jonasnuts

@wiredfire yes, I can. Because the problem is not the qrt. The problem is not the feature. It’s people. I can choose to be an asshole without qrt :-) unfollow, mute, block. People have the tools to manage what content they see, they don’t need a sysadmin to decide what’s best for them. Features are not toxic. People are. The game changer, here, is the absence of an algorithm. The rest it’s peanuts, fait divers. @jurjen_heeck @awarsing @twit_terrorist @Gargron

Carlos Mogas da Silva

@wiredfire using the same line of thought, so can someone with toxicity in mind 😉
So, not having qrt doesn't really accomplish nothing 😁

@jonasnuts @jurjen_heeck @awarsing @twit_terrorist @Gargron

(Matthew)=> return 🏳‍🌈🇿🇦🎮💻📖

@wiredfire @jonasnuts @jurjen_heeck @awarsing @twit_terrorist @Gargron UX and UI design is about the consequences of our decisions. If a design choice has unintended consequences, that is on the designer, not the user. You can encourage and discourage all sorts of behaviour through design. This is similar to saying "guns don't kill people, people do". If the tool makes a task easier, the task will be repeated more often.

Jonasnuts

@mdstevens0612 I can see your point, but the difference from a feature to a gun, is that the “target” has de ability to control the bullet. You can choose witch bullets you take, witch bullets you dodge:-) @wiredfire @jurjen_heeck @awarsing @twit_terrorist @Gargron

Jonasnuts

@mdstevens0612 you are right, “If the tool makes a task easier, the task will be repeated more often.” But why do you assume the users will use it in the negative and not in the positive way, now that there’s no algorithms to push the negativity?
@wiredfire @jonasnuts @jurjen_heeck @awarsing @twit_terrorist @Gargron @wiredfire@mas.to @jurjen_heeck@mastodon.nl @awarsing @twit_terrorist @Gargron

Wiredfire :BA: replied to Jonasnuts

@jonasnuts

Why do you assume only positive usage?

Your quote also applies to the trolling so regularly associated with quotes on Twitter currently.

We say that people are the algorithm on Mastodon. People can push bad agendas. Mastodon has been insulated from that in part due to relatively small numbers of users. As that is growing so does the danger of pile-ons. Things went “viral” long before the algorithms got involved.

I maintain you can do all you mentioned previously without quotes

(Matthew)=> return 🏳‍🌈🇿🇦🎮💻📖 replied to Jonasnuts

@jonasnuts @wiredfire@mastodon.social @jurjen_heeck@mastodon.social @awarsing @Gargron @wiredfire @jurjen_heeck@mastodon.nl @twit_terrorist The issue is exacerbated by algorithms but the underlying cause doesn't go away because its a pattern of human behaviour; We are susceptible to negative engagement. We need to design systems to minimize negative engagement and increase positive engagement. I don't think QRTs are good for this.

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