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Chris Trottier

@mensrea @gisiger Well, this is why marketing is so important.

21 Dec 2022 at 10:14 | Open on mastodon.social
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cuan_knaggs

@atomicpoet @gisiger sure but having a brand and a message that will reach and resonate with the mass population will be very tricky for any decentralised, open source system

21 Dec 2022 at 10:35 | Open on freeradical.zone
Chris Trottier
cuan_knaggs replied to Chris

@atomicpoet @gisiger no, not impossible. is there a fediverce foundation yet that could co-ordinate this part of the work?

21 Dec 2022 at 10:42 | Open on freeradical.zone
Chris Trottier replied to cuan_knaggs

@mensrea @gisiger Mastodon is a non-profit. The W3C, which standardized ActivityPub, is also a non-profit. The Mozilla Foundation, which just announced they will be investing in the Fediverse, is also a non-profit.

There's also several ethical for-profit entities building out the Fediverse.

21 Dec 2022 at 10:44 | Open on mastodon.social
Michael Gisiger :mastodon: replied to Chris

@atomicpoet @mensrea But Mozilla takes money from Google, therefore it's a front for Google to take over the fediverse! (not my words, but I just read something along those lines here ...)

21 Dec 2022 at 10:49 | Open on nerdculture.de
Steve Bannister replied to Michael Gisiger :mastodon:

@gisiger @atomicpoet @mensrea that's quite a leap to take. Google paying Firefox to be their default search engine as they do Apple. Not sure how that translates to Mozilla becoming a front for a hypothetical Google desire to take over the fediverse

21 Dec 2022 at 13:06 | Open on mas.to
sbi replied to Michael Gisiger :mastodon:

@gisiger @atomicpoet @mensrea I take money from my employer, yet I'm not just their front here.

21 Dec 2022 at 13:26 | Open on toot.berlin
pacanukeha❎ replied to Michael Gisiger :mastodon:
cuan_knaggs replied to Chris

@atomicpoet @gisiger i was thinking more of a group body for the fediverce writ large that can do co-ordinated marketing, advocacy, education, lobbying, ...

21 Dec 2022 at 10:52 | Open on freeradical.zone
Marge 吴静玫 replied to cuan_knaggs

@atomicpoet @mensrea @gisiger Could folks organize one? Maybe that is naive.

21 Dec 2022 at 11:04 | Open on infosec.exchange
Michael Gisiger :mastodon: replied to Marge

@WuMargaret @atomicpoet @mensrea I'm pretty sure, that's possible. But someone has to finance it, which in turn will be criticized by some (cf. Mozilla and Google). But, the German company by Eugen Rochko @Gargron behind Mastodon is already a non-profit LLC.

21 Dec 2022 at 11:08 | Open on nerdculture.de
cuan_knaggs replied to Marge

@WuMargaret @atomicpoet @gisiger yup, someone with enough organization and people herding skill could get it going.

21 Dec 2022 at 11:12 | Open on freeradical.zone
Dick Smiths Fair Go Supporters replied to Chris

@atomicpoet
Its not just the domain name of the instance itself that we need to be mindful of but also the #CDN that the server is using for images. Many instances use a seperate CDN.

The instance we are on uses what we understand to be a popular one by #BunnyCDN, namely cdn.masto.host.

As a secondary concern such CDN appears to block #Tor. We are again unable to post images again. (@witchescauldron)

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#blocksTor #unethicalConduct @mensrea @gisiger

@atomicpoet
Its not just the domain name of the instance itself that we need to be mindful of but also the #CDN that the server is using for images. Many instances use a seperate CDN.

The instance we are on uses what we understand to be a popular one by #BunnyCDN, namely cdn.masto.host.

As a secondary concern such CDN appears to block #Tor. We are again unable to post images again. (@witchescauldron)

21 Dec 2022 at 10:58 | Open on activism.openworlds.info
Dick Smiths Fair Go Supporters replied to Dick Smiths Fair Go Supporters

@atomicpoet @witchescauldron @mensrea @gisiger
If a CDN becomes too big the result is a just another #centralisation problem. Again, censorship and suppression at scale in the form of denial of serving content like #images and #videos is possible.

The #TooBigToExist CDN can also begin to gather data on users, for example when they are accessing the content and what content do they tend to look at etc.

The very nature of the #legacyInternet is unworkable. Alternatives like #I2P and Tor exist.

@atomicpoet @witchescauldron @mensrea @gisiger
If a CDN becomes too big the result is a just another #centralisation problem. Again, censorship and suppression at scale in the form of denial of serving content like #images and #videos is possible.

The #TooBigToExist CDN can also begin to gather data on users, for example when they are accessing the content and what content do they tend to look at etc.

21 Dec 2022 at 11:30 | Open on activism.openworlds.info
Dick Smiths Fair Go Supporters replied to Dick Smiths Fair Go Supporters

@atomicpoet @witchescauldron @mensrea @gisiger
@lightone

3/3

Even worse is that some instances are using (Sc)amazon or Cloudflare to serve content.

We need to find ways to resist this.

People who operate sites dedicated to listing #fediverseInstances are welcome to contact us and ask us to do an assessment of instances they list. We are happy to volunteer to do this.

Knowledge is #power, and we need to remain as vigilant as ever to ensure the power remains #distributed.

@atomicpoet @witchescauldron @mensrea @gisiger
@lightone

3/3

Even worse is that some instances are using (Sc)amazon or Cloudflare to serve content.

We need to find ways to resist this.

People who operate sites dedicated to listing #fediverseInstances are welcome to contact us and ask us to do an assessment of instances they list. We are happy to volunteer to do this.

21 Dec 2022 at 11:49 | Open on activism.openworlds.info
(gobsmacked) replied to Dick Smiths Fair Go Supporters

@dsfgs @atomicpoet @witchescauldron @mensrea @gisiger @lightone A list - spreadsheet- of instances with this kind of info - who owns, legal status (NPO, LLC, etc.), what CDN they use, etc. might be interesting. Would want to also include info on whether blocked a lot, moderation policy, what fork of any etc.

21 Dec 2022 at 15:54 | Open on mastodon.online
Jakob Voß replied to Chris

@atomicpoet @mensrea @gisiger No silver bullet, but Fediverse instances for specific languages, regions, topics... are more likely to be run and supported by volunteers. Call it branding on instance level. Think globally, act locally. But: soon commercial providers will offer "host an instance for your community". Not good.

21 Dec 2022 at 12:11 | Open on openbiblio.social
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