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@davidho

yes, that is true
however, I think it is fair to say that if you were on your way to the hospital with a very sick child and you got held up in a climate activist traffic jam, you might not be to happy

5 Dec 2022 at 21:28 | Wall-to-wall | Open on noc.social
21 comments
David Ho

@Hello57 that’s fair. In general, we need to get people out of cars and on foot, bikes, scooters, or in public transportation.

5 Dec 2022 at 21:59 | Open on mastodon.world
paprikapink

@davidho @Hello57 I agree. But carrying on with the hypothetical of getting a very sick child medical attention as quickly as possible, which of these would you choose?

5 Dec 2022 at 22:21 | Open on mstdn.social
BenAveling

@paprikapink @davidho @Hello57

For a sick child, you'd choose the ambulance. And it would get you to hospital fast, at least if everyone else were on foot, bikes, scooters or PT. Instead of, you know, cars.

6 Dec 2022 at 10:07 | Open on mastodon.world
Yannick Rochat

@paprikapink @davidho @Hello57 If people were getting out of cars, then the day you need to bring your sick kid to a hospital you won't be stuck in a traffic jam.

6 Dec 2022 at 10:53 | Open on mathstodon.xyz
anlomedad

@yrochat
True dat.
Also true: the sick child on the way to hospital can drown torrential rain or the carrying vehicle be smashed at a pylon by a strong-er storm or she may be be sick due to a global famine from simultaneous crop failures.
Those threats get worse until we're at CO2 zero.
And if we don't get to zero quick enough, the getting-worse might not even stop after CO2 zero.

Also true: previously healthy children already die due to climate change.


@paprikapink @davidho @Hello57

@yrochat
True dat.
Also true: the sick child on the way to hospital can drown torrential rain or the carrying vehicle be smashed at a pylon by a strong-er storm or she may be be sick due to a global famine from simultaneous crop failures.
Those threats get worse until we're at CO2 zero.
And if we don't get to zero quick enough, the getting-worse might not even stop after CO2 zero.

6 Dec 2022 at 15:18 | Open on norden.social
paprikapink

@anlomedad_real @yrochat @davidho @Hello57 What I feel is missing from discussions of how we get past a car-based life is the actual day-to-day life of a working parent needing to transport their kids, groceries, etc, in all kinds of weather and under all kinds of circumstances. When we CENTER this scenario and don't pretend that it's some atypical corner-case THEN we'll be on track to create real solutions that work for everyone

6 Dec 2022 at 16:05 | Open on mstdn.social
I choose to be anonymous cowar

@paprikapink @anlomedad_real @yrochat @davidho

YES !!
IMO, and this may earn me a lot of blocks, the bicycling community on twitter (and, I think, on mastodon) is incredibly arrogant and insensitive; they seem to think that everyone is willing and able to ride 5 miles ow with their kids in the rain

6 Dec 2022 at 16:07 | Open on noc.social
anlomedad

@Hello57
The culture change is inevitable.
Those with lifestyles currently dependent on cars (or planes, even!) need to have a good think on how to change that lifestyle. And they need to stop immediately with the immature "But my lifestyle...!"
Their choices in life brought them and us here. So I tell them: grow up already and change your life to fit into planetary boundaries!

Kids ARE dying already bc car-addicts have caused and still worsen climate change!
@paprikapink @yrochat @davidho

@Hello57
The culture change is inevitable.
Those with lifestyles currently dependent on cars (or planes, even!) need to have a good think on how to change that lifestyle. And they need to stop immediately with the immature "But my lifestyle...!"
Their choices in life brought them and us here. So I tell them: grow up already and change your life to fit into planetary boundaries!

6 Dec 2022 at 16:14 | Open on norden.social
paprikapink

@anlomedad_real @Hello57 @yrochat @davidho Being a parent is a lifestyle? How about being a caregiver? poor? old? disabled? I'm not sure what point you're intending to make but it sure sounds like "if you can't keep up fuck you"

6 Dec 2022 at 17:09 | Open on mstdn.social
Abandoned

@paprikapink @anlomedad_real @Hello57 @yrochat @davidho

It takes a lot more will to be a pedestrian. This is a systemic problem creating generations who've been boxed in by a system that forces them to drive. I'm disappointed that more people do not fight it; but admit it's a problem to expect everyone to be in a position to fight.

Ie. Stop forcing people to drive with bad infrastructural investments.

6 Dec 2022 at 17:46 | Open on fosstodon.org
Dale Phelan

@Hello57 @davidho

If it helps, there's no phrase that will clear a climate blockade quicker than the words 'blue lights!'

I've watched a blocked bridge clear and reset six times for various ambulances over the course of the day.

The activists really are humanitarians, despite the media portrayal.

5 Dec 2022 at 22:10 | Open on universeodon.com
I choose to be anonymous cowar
Burak's Beige Boxes

@Dale_Phe @Hello57 Blue lights on an ambulance is different than you taking your child to the hospital in your car, may it be emergency or not. You don't have blue lights and they won't clear for you.
We had roads before internal combustion engines were available, we will need them after they are phased out. Individual transportation is a necessity.
The activits also jam the road for people that do care and run their electric car on solar power. no exceptions.

6 Dec 2022 at 0:04 | Open on mastodon.social
Dale Phelan

@buraksbeigeboxes @Hello57
Then you're misinterpreting the actions entirely, it isn't a protest against cars.

The point of civil disobedience is to disrupt daily life on behalf of a given issue. Disruption escalates the issue from the back of the public's mind to the forefront and pressures policy makers to act.

In this case, temporary, climate oriented disruptions now are designed to avoid more cataclysmic disruptions in the future. The sooner we act, the less it'll hurt.

@buraksbeigeboxes @Hello57
Then you're misinterpreting the actions entirely, it isn't a protest against cars.

The point of civil disobedience is to disrupt daily life on behalf of a given issue. Disruption escalates the issue from the back of the public's mind to the forefront and pressures policy makers to act.

6 Dec 2022 at 6:43 | Open on universeodon.com
DarryB

@Hello57 @davidho Why not just block half the road. That would slow traffic down a lot, but it would keep some of it moving and available for emergency services.

6 Dec 2022 at 0:38 | Open on mastodon.world
Shanti's Hellbound Heart

@DarryB @Hello57 @davidho because the car drivers would just clog up that side. Sure they treat bus lanes and hard shoulders like turning lanes, park over the ramps put there for disabled people to use the footpaths, not to mention parking on the damn footpath.

Obviously not all, but unfortunately, too many.

6 Dec 2022 at 19:06 | Open on mastodon.ie
Arriviste houso

@Hello57 Depends, is the kid sick from encephalitis due to extreme rainfall & warming increasing disease spread? maybe heat stroke due to fifth heat wave in a year?

6 Dec 2022 at 0:41 | Open on aus.social
paprikapink

@Hello57 @davidho every demonstration that I've ever been at (and there have been quite a few over many years) has taken that into account and is prepared to let cars through when it's an emergency

6 Dec 2022 at 5:17 | Open on mstdn.social
Aehnne t'Khaell

@Hello57 @davidho Literally 'Think of the Children'.

Gonna be an awful lot of dead kids once crops fail, food supplies diminish, land area shrinks leading to mass-scale population displacement, and conflict over resources and land spirals into a civilisation-ending strategic exchange.

Just remember: we could have chosen a different route. But we wanted fossil fuel profit, personal convenience and our precious SUVs. Oh, and to hit out at the 'woke lefties', of course.

6 Dec 2022 at 6:08 | Open on corteximplant.com
Chtixof :verified:

@Hello57 @davidho
Going this way, all protestations are hypothetical children killers and should be forbidden 🤔

6 Dec 2022 at 6:32 | Open on mamot.fr
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