@Hello57 that’s fair. In general, we need to get people...

@Hello57 that’s fair. In general, we need to get people out of cars and on foot, bikes, scooters, or in public transportation.

Like 5 Dec 2022 at 21:59 | Open on mastodon.world

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paprikapink

@davidho @Hello57 I agree. But carrying on with the hypothetical of getting a very sick child medical attention as quickly as possible, which of these would you choose?

5 Dec 2022 at 22:21 | Open on mstdn.social

BenAveling

@paprikapink @davidho @Hello57

For a sick child, you'd choose the ambulance. And it would get you to hospital fast, at least if everyone else were on foot, bikes, scooters or PT. Instead of, you know, cars.

6 Dec 2022 at 10:07 | Open on mastodon.world

Yannick Rochat

@paprikapink @davidho @Hello57 If people were getting out of cars, then the day you need to bring your sick kid to a hospital you won't be stuck in a traffic jam.

6 Dec 2022 at 10:53 | Open on mathstodon.xyz

anlomedad

@yrochat
True dat.
Also true: the sick child on the way to hospital can drown torrential rain or the carrying vehicle be smashed at a pylon by a strong-er storm or she may be be sick due to a global famine from simultaneous crop failures.
Those threats get worse until we're at CO2 zero.
And if we don't get to zero quick enough, the getting-worse might not even stop after CO2 zero.

Also true: previously healthy children already die due to climate change.

@paprikapink @davidho @Hello57

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6 Dec 2022 at 15:18 | Open on norden.social

paprikapink

@anlomedad_real @yrochat @davidho @Hello57 What I feel is missing from discussions of how we get past a car-based life is the actual day-to-day life of a working parent needing to transport their kids, groceries, etc, in all kinds of weather and under all kinds of circumstances. When we CENTER this scenario and don't pretend that it's some atypical corner-case THEN we'll be on track to create real solutions that work for everyone

6 Dec 2022 at 16:05 | Open on mstdn.social

I choose to be anonymous cowar

@paprikapink @anlomedad_real @yrochat @davidho

YES !!
IMO, and this may earn me a lot of blocks, the bicycling community on twitter (and, I think, on mastodon) is incredibly arrogant and insensitive; they seem to think that everyone is willing and able to ride 5 miles ow with their kids in the rain

6 Dec 2022 at 16:07 | Open on noc.social

anlomedad

@Hello57
The culture change is inevitable.
Those with lifestyles currently dependent on cars (or planes, even!) need to have a good think on how to change that lifestyle. And they need to stop immediately with the immature "But my lifestyle...!"
Their choices in life brought them and us here. So I tell them: grow up already and change your life to fit into planetary boundaries!

Kids ARE dying already bc car-addicts have caused and still worsen climate change!
@paprikapink @yrochat @davidho

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6 Dec 2022 at 16:14 | Open on norden.social

paprikapink

@anlomedad_real @Hello57 @yrochat @davidho Being a parent is a lifestyle? How about being a caregiver? poor? old? disabled? I'm not sure what point you're intending to make but it sure sounds like "if you can't keep up fuck you"

6 Dec 2022 at 17:09 | Open on mstdn.social

Abandoned

@paprikapink @anlomedad_real @Hello57 @yrochat @davidho

It takes a lot more will to be a pedestrian. This is a systemic problem creating generations who've been boxed in by a system that forces them to drive. I'm disappointed that more people do not fight it; but admit it's a problem to expect everyone to be in a position to fight.

Ie. Stop forcing people to drive with bad infrastructural investments.

6 Dec 2022 at 17:46 | Open on fosstodon.org