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David Ho

To be honest, this seems worse than having the road blocked by #climate #activists for a few minutes.

5 Dec 2022 at 20:39 | Open on mastodon.world
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zombiecide

@davidho … but that's what happens to /other people/, not the SUV driver inconvenienced by a climate activist

5 Dec 2022 at 20:42 | Open on polyglot.city
Kristian Ophaug-Vea 🌻🌍
James Nisbet :mastodon:

@davidho imprison that storm cloud for 15 months immediately!

5 Dec 2022 at 20:47 | Open on mastodon.nz
grob 🇺🇦

@davidho radical river glues itself to road in protest, local commuters furious

5 Dec 2022 at 21:08 | Open on mstdn.social
Kuma Chan 🧸
@davidho don't worry so much this is just the planet resetting.
5 Dec 2022 at 21:17 | Open on cutieverse.social
I choose to be anonymous cowar

@davidho

yes, that is true
however, I think it is fair to say that if you were on your way to the hospital with a very sick child and you got held up in a climate activist traffic jam, you might not be to happy

5 Dec 2022 at 21:28 | Open on noc.social
David Ho

@Hello57 that’s fair. In general, we need to get people out of cars and on foot, bikes, scooters, or in public transportation.

5 Dec 2022 at 21:59 | Open on mastodon.world
paprikapink

@davidho @Hello57 I agree. But carrying on with the hypothetical of getting a very sick child medical attention as quickly as possible, which of these would you choose?

5 Dec 2022 at 22:21 | Open on mstdn.social
BenAveling

@paprikapink @davidho @Hello57

For a sick child, you'd choose the ambulance. And it would get you to hospital fast, at least if everyone else were on foot, bikes, scooters or PT. Instead of, you know, cars.

6 Dec 2022 at 10:07 | Open on mastodon.world
Yannick Rochat

@paprikapink @davidho @Hello57 If people were getting out of cars, then the day you need to bring your sick kid to a hospital you won't be stuck in a traffic jam.

6 Dec 2022 at 10:53 | Open on mathstodon.xyz
anlomedad

@yrochat
True dat.
Also true: the sick child on the way to hospital can drown torrential rain or the carrying vehicle be smashed at a pylon by a strong-er storm or she may be be sick due to a global famine from simultaneous crop failures.
Those threats get worse until we're at CO2 zero.
And if we don't get to zero quick enough, the getting-worse might not even stop after CO2 zero.

Also true: previously healthy children already die due to climate change.


@paprikapink @davidho @Hello57

@yrochat
True dat.
Also true: the sick child on the way to hospital can drown torrential rain or the carrying vehicle be smashed at a pylon by a strong-er storm or she may be be sick due to a global famine from simultaneous crop failures.
Those threats get worse until we're at CO2 zero.
And if we don't get to zero quick enough, the getting-worse might not even stop after CO2 zero.

6 Dec 2022 at 15:18 | Open on norden.social
paprikapink

@anlomedad_real @yrochat @davidho @Hello57 What I feel is missing from discussions of how we get past a car-based life is the actual day-to-day life of a working parent needing to transport their kids, groceries, etc, in all kinds of weather and under all kinds of circumstances. When we CENTER this scenario and don't pretend that it's some atypical corner-case THEN we'll be on track to create real solutions that work for everyone

6 Dec 2022 at 16:05 | Open on mstdn.social
I choose to be anonymous cowar

@paprikapink @anlomedad_real @yrochat @davidho

YES !!
IMO, and this may earn me a lot of blocks, the bicycling community on twitter (and, I think, on mastodon) is incredibly arrogant and insensitive; they seem to think that everyone is willing and able to ride 5 miles ow with their kids in the rain

6 Dec 2022 at 16:07 | Open on noc.social
anlomedad

@Hello57
The culture change is inevitable.
Those with lifestyles currently dependent on cars (or planes, even!) need to have a good think on how to change that lifestyle. And they need to stop immediately with the immature "But my lifestyle...!"
Their choices in life brought them and us here. So I tell them: grow up already and change your life to fit into planetary boundaries!

Kids ARE dying already bc car-addicts have caused and still worsen climate change!
@paprikapink @yrochat @davidho

@Hello57
The culture change is inevitable.
Those with lifestyles currently dependent on cars (or planes, even!) need to have a good think on how to change that lifestyle. And they need to stop immediately with the immature "But my lifestyle...!"
Their choices in life brought them and us here. So I tell them: grow up already and change your life to fit into planetary boundaries!

6 Dec 2022 at 16:14 | Open on norden.social
paprikapink

@anlomedad_real @Hello57 @yrochat @davidho Being a parent is a lifestyle? How about being a caregiver? poor? old? disabled? I'm not sure what point you're intending to make but it sure sounds like "if you can't keep up fuck you"

6 Dec 2022 at 17:09 | Open on mstdn.social
Abandoned

@paprikapink @anlomedad_real @Hello57 @yrochat @davidho

It takes a lot more will to be a pedestrian. This is a systemic problem creating generations who've been boxed in by a system that forces them to drive. I'm disappointed that more people do not fight it; but admit it's a problem to expect everyone to be in a position to fight.

Ie. Stop forcing people to drive with bad infrastructural investments.

6 Dec 2022 at 17:46 | Open on fosstodon.org
Dale Phelan

@Hello57 @davidho

If it helps, there's no phrase that will clear a climate blockade quicker than the words 'blue lights!'

I've watched a blocked bridge clear and reset six times for various ambulances over the course of the day.

The activists really are humanitarians, despite the media portrayal.

5 Dec 2022 at 22:10 | Open on universeodon.com
I choose to be anonymous cowar
Burak's Beige Boxes

@Dale_Phe @Hello57 Blue lights on an ambulance is different than you taking your child to the hospital in your car, may it be emergency or not. You don't have blue lights and they won't clear for you.
We had roads before internal combustion engines were available, we will need them after they are phased out. Individual transportation is a necessity.
The activits also jam the road for people that do care and run their electric car on solar power. no exceptions.

6 Dec 2022 at 0:04 | Open on mastodon.social
Dale Phelan

@buraksbeigeboxes @Hello57
Then you're misinterpreting the actions entirely, it isn't a protest against cars.

The point of civil disobedience is to disrupt daily life on behalf of a given issue. Disruption escalates the issue from the back of the public's mind to the forefront and pressures policy makers to act.

In this case, temporary, climate oriented disruptions now are designed to avoid more cataclysmic disruptions in the future. The sooner we act, the less it'll hurt.

@buraksbeigeboxes @Hello57
Then you're misinterpreting the actions entirely, it isn't a protest against cars.

The point of civil disobedience is to disrupt daily life on behalf of a given issue. Disruption escalates the issue from the back of the public's mind to the forefront and pressures policy makers to act.

6 Dec 2022 at 6:43 | Open on universeodon.com
DarryB

@Hello57 @davidho Why not just block half the road. That would slow traffic down a lot, but it would keep some of it moving and available for emergency services.

6 Dec 2022 at 0:38 | Open on mastodon.world
Shanti's Hellbound Heart

@DarryB @Hello57 @davidho because the car drivers would just clog up that side. Sure they treat bus lanes and hard shoulders like turning lanes, park over the ramps put there for disabled people to use the footpaths, not to mention parking on the damn footpath.

Obviously not all, but unfortunately, too many.

6 Dec 2022 at 19:06 | Open on mastodon.ie
Arriviste houso

@Hello57 Depends, is the kid sick from encephalitis due to extreme rainfall & warming increasing disease spread? maybe heat stroke due to fifth heat wave in a year?

6 Dec 2022 at 0:41 | Open on aus.social
paprikapink

@Hello57 @davidho every demonstration that I've ever been at (and there have been quite a few over many years) has taken that into account and is prepared to let cars through when it's an emergency

6 Dec 2022 at 5:17 | Open on mstdn.social
Aehnne t'Khaell

@Hello57 @davidho Literally 'Think of the Children'.

Gonna be an awful lot of dead kids once crops fail, food supplies diminish, land area shrinks leading to mass-scale population displacement, and conflict over resources and land spirals into a civilisation-ending strategic exchange.

Just remember: we could have chosen a different route. But we wanted fossil fuel profit, personal convenience and our precious SUVs. Oh, and to hit out at the 'woke lefties', of course.

6 Dec 2022 at 6:08 | Open on corteximplant.com
Chtixof :verified:

@Hello57 @davidho
Going this way, all protestations are hypothetical children killers and should be forbidden 🤔

6 Dec 2022 at 6:32 | Open on mamot.fr
ǝlqɯnɹ uoɯᴉS

@davidho Soon this will be our "way of life"

5 Dec 2022 at 22:03 | Open on aus.social
Pierre
Bob Metivier
Ross B from the oaty sea

@davidho Exactly. Getting your nickers in a knot because a protestor inconveniences someone doesn't understand that it would be a poor protest demonstration that didn't inconvenience anyone.

5 Dec 2022 at 23:27 | Open on aus.social
Tushar Chauhan

@davidho Bigger SUVs is the answer obviously.

5 Dec 2022 at 23:35 | Open on mastodon.mit.edu
Timothy Mercy
Dirty Hippie

@davidho Sorry to divert the conversation, but I'm curious as to where this flooding happened. Thanks.

6 Dec 2022 at 1:09 | Open on mastodon.online
Kypedsnp

@davidho That's a false dichotomy. And protests that create public safety hazards aren't likely to generate sympathy or support. Protest, yes, but roadways need to be passable.

6 Dec 2022 at 1:20 | Open on mas.to
MateRhyu
Kypedsnp

@materhyu @davidho
Ah, okay, I may have been unclear. My opinion isn't based on that specific incident, nor to climate change protests in particular, but to protests in general. Here in the US, protests can get out of hand at times (read that as violent) and when roads are blocked ambulances or other drivers who accidentally happen upon the protest have been threatened and/or had their vehicles vandalized. As a woman, I'm quite sensitive to safety in public places, so that's my bias.

6 Dec 2022 at 22:23 | Open on mas.to
Jennifer Ward
Pompeo Santoro

@davidho this is worse, this is terrible, which does not make blocking roads good.
Progress is made by bringing people to think and act in an environmentally conscious way. I very much doubt that being stuck in a blocked road will convince anyone, on the contrary. Let alone if someone dies in an ambulance in a roadblock.

6 Dec 2022 at 7:01 | Open on mastodon.uno
the vibes man

@davidho can’t fund more cops to beat up the water

6 Dec 2022 at 7:38 | Open on kolektiva.social
Michelle McCabe 🍂

@davidho that should be on billboards everywhere

6 Dec 2022 at 8:33 | Open on mastodon.ie
declang

@davidho PLEASE block the roads, the governments aren't listening... fossil fuel execs are not listening... the media are not listening. Chaos of extreme weather, food shortage and social breakdown are just too close for us to be so comfortable about it. @juststopoil @extinctionrebellion

6 Dec 2022 at 9:21 | Open on home.social
Bailey Williams
Extinction Rebellion Polska

@davidho Fossil fuel activists blocking the road again, disrupting the lives of normal people who just need to go to work.

6 Dec 2022 at 10:01 | Open on social.rebellion.global
Elsje de Ruijter

@davidho De laatste nog levende mens op aarde filmt gevolgen klimaatverandering.

6 Dec 2022 at 10:34 | Open on mastodon.green
David S

@davidho love the optimism of whoever is in the car with the wipers going

6 Dec 2022 at 11:28 | Open on toot.bike
Dave Mandl
twodimes

@davidho for the person with the hypothetical child in an ambulance annoyed by the road blocking climate protest - what exactly is your plan here?

6 Dec 2022 at 12:29 | Open on writing.exchange
@ijs
Sara Peltola
Starry Starry Knight

@davidho But if the hypothetical kid and her future carbon footprint don't make it, it's kinda a hypothetical win for the planet, hypothetically...

6 Dec 2022 at 12:49 | Open on freeradical.zone
skye 🏳️‍⚧️
cyber.philosohack

@davidho the world of convenience has created this big pillow between us and a fall, which makes a tickly nose from a protruding feather feel like an ulcer

6 Dec 2022 at 13:05 | Open on infosec.exchange
Gretared
Anton Stöckl ✅

@davidho But you can’t put the weather in prison, or yell at it, beat the shit out of it, …

6 Dec 2022 at 13:25 | Open on mastodon.social
Pete Alex Harris🦡🕸️🌲/∞🪐∫

@davidho or better, if you're measuring reduced car emissions.
Just needs amphibious public transport.

6 Dec 2022 at 18:17 | Open on mastodon.scot
Smörhuvud (he/surprise me)

@davidho No, because climate apocalypse, unlike climate activism, does not threaten the powerful today.

6 Dec 2022 at 18:41 | Open on mastodon.social
Panama Red
Search Climate Toots

@davidho
I love your brilliant posting comparing the costs of flooding to one activists protests.
Here are six articles about Australia Flooding.
twitter.com/hrw/status/1600226

I will dig through them tomorrow to draft a more intelligent statement.

6 Dec 2022 at 22:00 | Open on mastodon.social
Riley S. Faelan

@davidho: Only because you're trying to run an objective comparison, and ignoring the fact that the kind of people who like to rail against climate activists tend to be the sort of people who feel PvP to be fun and glorious, and PvE boring and nerdy.

6 Dec 2022 at 22:04 | Open on toot.cat
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