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blake shaw 🇵🇸

@civodul @dthompson from my experience using Debian, the anti-free drivers, etc, are all distributed independently of the distro itself (unless they have since changed this), but they make it simple and easy to find and use. I definitely think guix needs to only distribute whats free; offering a clean slate is a unique and important offering to preserve, and any contamination seems in a sense nearly irreversible. but whats the downside of simply directing folks to the source, and not imposing an unnatural prohibition that most agree feels forced and thus gathers an air of ideological burearacracy?

5 Dec 2022 at 17:38 | Wall-to-wall | Open on functional.cafe
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Steve

@rml @civodul @dthompson
Stumbled over #Tromjaro in this regards. Very interesting. But still try to understand how you can offer a trade free product to people without trading.
I love open source software and the idea of free open source software and would love to see it spread - but i am confused by the extreme amount of "no-presence" (not being seen/noticed) of free software in daily life.
Forgive my English, if i treated it wrong.

5 Dec 2022 at 17:46 | Open on mastodon.social
blake shaw 🇵🇸

@SteveTux @dthompson @civodul free software is as invisible in your daily life as your city's plumbing or sanitization services. the world's infrastructure is powered by free software. it would be terrible thing for that to be monopolized by private interests.

5 Dec 2022 at 20:27 | Open on functional.cafe
Steve

@rml @dthompson @civodul
I agree. Hope to see the awareness of it emerging as on- and for sure offline with regular people. :)

5 Dec 2022 at 21:07 | Open on mastodon.social
dave

@rml @civodul the issue is that Guix is beholden to the GNU Free Software Distribution Guidelines, which state that even referring to nonfree things is not allowed. It is more likely that hell will freeze over than convincing RMS to change this policy. so, the only real option for Guix to consider is dropping FSDG, dealing with the political fallout, and adopting their own slightly relaxed guidelines. I do not envy anyone who wants to open this can of worms on the mailing list!

5 Dec 2022 at 17:49 | Open on toot.cat
blake shaw 🇵🇸

@dthompson @civodul yeah I definitely feel you about the mailing list lol. this is certainly a differend. its especially difficult because there are people who will jump at the chance to draw a parity between free software and supposed "free speech" discourses, where they want to make the case that our zero tolerance for hateful discourse is unjust if we can't also maintain a zero tolerance for like, providing links to trusted community maintained sources in order to ensure that free software isn't a gated community for consumers who can afford to seek out H-Node listed gear.

I think that Guix should be seeking to lead and advance the state of free software rather than tail those dogmatic about preserving its obvious warts and mistakes. I think that part of that is to recognize that software freedom is first and formost concerned with hygiene. As an ideological force -- one that is concerned with prohibiting mere mention of the enemy -- free software transforms into a bureacratic force that is stultifying and antithetical to free software's proliferation.

@dthompson @civodul yeah I definitely feel you about the mailing list lol. this is certainly a differend. its especially difficult because there are people who will jump at the chance to draw a parity between free software and supposed "free speech" discourses, where they want to make the case that our zero tolerance for hateful discourse is unjust if we can't also maintain a zero tolerance for like, providing links to trusted community maintained sources in order to ensure that free software isn't...

5 Dec 2022 at 20:12 | Open on functional.cafe
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