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dave

@rml @civodul the issue is that Guix is beholden to the GNU Free Software Distribution Guidelines, which state that even referring to nonfree things is not allowed. It is more likely that hell will freeze over than convincing RMS to change this policy. so, the only real option for Guix to consider is dropping FSDG, dealing with the political fallout, and adopting their own slightly relaxed guidelines. I do not envy anyone who wants to open this can of worms on the mailing list!

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blake shaw 🇵🇸

@dthompson @civodul yeah I definitely feel you about the mailing list lol. this is certainly a differend. its especially difficult because there are people who will jump at the chance to draw a parity between free software and supposed "free speech" discourses, where they want to make the case that our zero tolerance for hateful discourse is unjust if we can't also maintain a zero tolerance for like, providing links to trusted community maintained sources in order to ensure that free software isn't a gated community for consumers who can afford to seek out H-Node listed gear.

I think that Guix should be seeking to lead and advance the state of free software rather than tail those dogmatic about preserving its obvious warts and mistakes. I think that part of that is to recognize that software freedom is first and formost concerned with hygiene. As an ideological force -- one that is concerned with prohibiting mere mention of the enemy -- free software transforms into a bureacratic force that is stultifying and antithetical to free software's proliferation.

@dthompson @civodul yeah I definitely feel you about the mailing list lol. this is certainly a differend. its especially difficult because there are people who will jump at the chance to draw a parity between free software and supposed "free speech" discourses, where they want to make the case that our zero tolerance for hateful discourse is unjust if we can't also maintain a zero tolerance for like, providing links to trusted community maintained sources in order to ensure that free software isn't...

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