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Voline

Tip for the new folk:
Often Mastodon’s features work the way they do because it was first populated by people who had been harassed on FB and the Birdsite.

For instance (not sorry), you cannot search Masto for a simple term. Only #hashtags. Say you’re having a private conversation about iguanas. Anti-iguana trolls will not be able to search for “iguanas”, find your conversation, and drop into it to say, “Iguana luvers suck!”

But if you are wanting to connect with new iguana fanciers on Mastodon, slipping an #iguanas hashtag somewhere into your posts will allow people to search for and find them.

#TwitterMigration #Twitter

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Cassandra Granade

@Voline I really think of Mastodon's use of hashtags as being an expression of consent and agency, a proactive statement that "yes, I want this toot to be discoverable by people looking for this thing."

Jonathan Lamothe
@cgranade I didn't know there was another way to think about them. Isn't that exactly what they were made for?
Dave T-W

@cgranade @Voline I think I've always used them in this way, but of course it didn't stop the anti-iguanists finding you and piling on even to a mostly local conversation.

jnm

@cgranade This is a helpful characterization. //
@Voline

EdLynchBell

@cgranade @Voline this is very useful learning. I’m trying to tread lightly and learn as quickly as possible.

Voline

@EdLynchBell
Those are the old-school internet skills, right? You're on a new forum, so you mostly just lurk a lot until you get a feel for the vibe, mores, and all.

EdLynchBell

@Voline TBF my MO has been to blunder in like a big oaf and then feel ashamed about doing so. At least I am learning quicker, but the 12 years old that dialled into a BBS with a 1200baud modem all those years ago to find warez is still in me somewhere.

Voline

@EdLynchBell
“Does anyone have the new Sim City!? The graphics look awesome!!¡!!”
“Sir, this is a Wendy’s.”

Danielle Navarro

@Voline the longer I am here (which is admittedly not very long) the more of those little features I’m discovering. I really like it. Trying to survive on twitter was a nightmare. I had so many custom scripts written to isolate my account from trolls and harassers while allowing me to interact with people I cared about. It’s really noticeable that I don’t seem to need that here. It’s really lovely ❤️

Voline

@djnavarro
The ratio of admin/user is very high here (varies based on size of your server). The admins tend to be very responsive. I think you can expect a response ≈ 24 hours in normal times. (These are *not* normal times). And they have tools to block entire other servers if they are unresponsive to complaints about the behavior of their users. You also have the ability to block not just one person but an entire instance if you want.

Lucas Nivon

@Voline thank you I had no idea. Love the concept

Polly Lind Artist

@Voline ohh that is awsome.. thank you for explaining that. :)

yunchtime

@Voline similarly I *really* like the fact that there is not count of how many "likes" a post has. this reduces the subliminal popularity contest of what post to look at into a very level playing field. Just read the post, then directly reply. it's not a dog-pile rugby match, it's a conversation! how refreshing...

Amy Magnus

@Voline Good to know!

That should encourage #hashtags in the way that weblogs encouraged #hyperlinks back in the day

Keith Jones

@Voline this is helpful! Thanks for the explanation.

Jerrold Poh

@Voline But why would you have a private conversation outside of DMs? And if users could still search #iguanas, couldn't an anti-iguana troll still troll the #iguanas hashtag?

Kiran Castellino :he_him:

@jklp @Voline Responding to your questions:

1. There's varying scales of privacy. Maybe you want to talk about iguanas with people who know you (such as followers), but not actively broadcast it to everyone. That's fine

2. Sure, but they'd probably get blocked (and possibly reported) by everyone

Voline

@jklp
Well, sure. But if you don't feel like putting yourself in a vulnerable position with respect to anti-iguanas. You can just not use the hashtag. You don't have to worry if the conversation didn't start as a DM, that you have to take it there.

prinzessinnen_und_raben

@Voline I still need to figure out how this works for subtopics within a hashtag. I can see people giving stuff away on #fediGive, but there needs to be an extra way to look for one specific thing (I'm sure there is a workaround, I just don't know it).

I can search my own toots, though! That's a quality-of-life feature right there!

krebstar

@Voline Thank you. I have been trying to find some of the community that I had on twitter in here and not having a ton of luck. I will just try random hashtags. #twittermigation

avila :fedora:

@Voline it is nice to note that you can search for a simple term on toots that you've written, liked, were mentioned and so on... so if you want to recall an older toot you have interacted with, that will work!

Voline

@avila
That is cool! I'd forgotten about that!

Lyndal Parker-Newlyn

@Voline thank you. That makes so much sense. ❤️

Nefarious Filth Bird 🚩⚡️

@Voline Trolls usually stumble onto posts and just link to it. People are rarely harassed because of having 1 on 1 conversations, but when their posts gain traction across multiple communities.

It's a very specific function that only affects/stops like 2 people

Murilo Trigo

@Voline Subscribing to a hashtag feels meaningful. (Don't even know if we had this back in birdsite)

Voline

@mtrigo
You can? I know you can pin a hashtag to a column in the web view.

Murilo Trigo

@Voline Yes! try the web version, search for one (or click on one) and the button should be on the right

Toge

@Voline I had been wondering about this, but this makes a lot of sense. Thank you for the explanation.

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@Voline I'm not suggesting this would happen, but if I put #iguanas in the private conversation I'm having, could someone search for that hashtag and then tell me iguana luvers suck? (ha I'm trying to understand the way it works and I feel like I'm missing something 😬)

Olivier

@_ohcoco_ @Voline Private posts are only private to a point, but outside of their recipients and the instance's admins (present and future), they shouldn't be searchable.

That being said, public posts ARE searchable by words (and not only by hashtags) as long as they show on a search engine referenced instance. Then, "site:<instance.name> <word>" works pretty well. Just because Mastodon itself doesn't allow to search by (non-hashtag) words, doesn't mean it can't be done. Be careful.

Voline

@_ohcoco_ @olivierm
I think he means that this is not a properly private tool like Signal. It’s a web forum, with all the limitations. Don’t go planning any bank robberies on here.

Alex :artblackcat:

@Voline You've now got me hoping the #iguanas meta starts picking up! Lizard bois! 🦎

COOK·Ⓔ

@Voline omg I was a little annoyed about the search but didn’t even think about how it could be misused to harass those who love (iguanas) differently

Tian

@Voline still the trolls can just raid your hashtag, but of course they need to know it first, would that incentivize people to creat obscure hashtag for self/community protection?

Matthew Whitehead

@Voline does this mean we should more agressively tag things as well as CWing? 😊

Dr. Dube

@Voline your post clarifies and underscores the nature of #searching on Mastodon and explains the importance of using #hashtags. Thanks!

Voline

@Stephanenny
“Pardon me, Ladies. But I can see you are discussing a topic with which I am quite conversant …”

Andrew Kemendo

@Voline oh no now we’ve accidentally raided the iguanaverse! 😂

Colin D. Wren

@Voline So I just tried searching for #archaeology #introduction and got zero results even though there are plenty of posts with both. Is there another way to combine searches I'm not aware of?

Voline

@cdwren
If the search feature is too limited, you can fall back on DuckDuckGo or Google’s search for your server eg “site:fediscience.org”. But some site administrators do not allow search engines to crawl their site.

Liam Lemon

@Voline one thing I am trying to understand about mastodon is where is the like button?

Octavia Nasr

@Voline Thank you! You reminded me of when users (us) came up with the hashtag idea on the birdsite as a way to crowdsource information. @shoq was the first person I know to introduce it. I also remember the first time I used it for Newsgathering with President Obama’s speech in Cairo. It provided a worldwide real-time reaction to the speech and added an original new element to CNN’s coverage!

Ariadne Ross

@Voline is there a way to search the #Fediverse i.e. Federation feed for #hashtags?

Voline

@ariadne
Yeah, but keep in mind that some Mastodon servers are indexed by search engines. It depends on whether the administrators allow the indexing bots to crawl their site. If they do, you can do something like:

#iguanas site:mastodon.social

Ariadne Ross

@permagriculture @Voline thank you, this is great! Exactly what I was looking for!

Mr.Generation

@Voline Regarding the search function: I believe this is not entirely true and depends on the instance your on. Mine for example runs Elasticsearch which offers fulltext search. And I can actually find toots based on single words without hashtags.

That's Mastodon 3.5.3

Voline

@mrgeneration

“While some Mastodon instances do allow full-text search, you can only search your own toots on those instances. This makes it easier to find something that you posted a while ago without exposing you to harassment.”

— from Joyeuse Noelle’s helpful Guide to Mastodon.
github.com/joyeusenoelle/Guide

Mr.Generation

@Voline Ahhh! That makes sense. Thank you very much for that enlightenment!

Phil Davis

@Voline Feeling this already. Accidentally replied with a hot-topic keyword & flinched expecting a flood of trolls, bros, & bots to block. Nothing but thoughtful response. So nice.

Theodora Michaels

@Voline This is sensible, and I'm sure I recall a time when Twitter worked like this too. You could search for #Anonymous and it would bring up tweets about the hacktivist movement. Then at some point they changed it, so a search for that hashtag brought up random tweets using "anonymous" in other contexts, making the search useless. There must be other examples of this, like brand names that are also common words. Hashtagging is a deliberate act which should be reflected in search results.

Jamie Bellinger

@Voline Sorry if it's a dumb question, but why wouldn't the iguana trolls just search for #iguanas in the same way and drop their hate that way?

Voline

@jmblgr
They could, but only on people who were open enough about their iguana love to be hash-tagging about it.

Krzysztof Adam Witalewski

@greg @Voline Btw I'm quite open about being a fan of #iguanas, feel free to connect. My cover photo is a lesser antillean iguana I met this year near #Martinique

[shabbs]

@Voline Great to know... explains my initial search confusion now. HA!

🌻Kate a eu jusqu'à ici avec 💩

@Voline
Huh. I wondered. I figured there was a reason Search works, or rather doesn't work, the way it does. Good to know. Thanks!

Jamie Cashin

@Voline hey thanks a lot for that information! That makes a lot more sense. Bow I'm going to start using hashtags a bit more frequently I guess

Maximilian🇨🇱🇸🇪🍉

@Voline

Thanks! As a total newb here, these tips and tricks are good to know!

🐳♙ 𝐒Į∂𝔡 ♟☆

@Voline - Why not have individuality instead of making it an alternative to #twitter Could well have much better & sophisticated features which outshine Twitter #twittermigration

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@Voline

Wow, that's smart! I went in (in 2019, I'm not new) thinking it was due to technical limitations and that it was more of an annoyance/tradeoff than anything else. Kudos for framing it another way.

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