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Eugen Rochko

I don't think Mastodon or the fediverse has ever received this much attention before. It's a great opportunity for people to finally see that social media can be done differently, that it can be a protocol not under control of any single company.

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Reymond Aguinaldo

@Gargron I always knew this day would come. More awesome peeps coming through! ✨

💙💛

@Gargron what if jack dorsey want to buy mastodon?

Rastal

@Gargron In fairness, this is what the internet used to be like before big tech and advertisers took it over. Think also: RSS, XMPP, IRC, etc.

ParadisFraise

@Gargron In my opinion the only solution to attract the majority of Twitter users departures is to offer account certification. I've talked to a lot of people who all say they stay on Twitter because the popular accounts they usually check are there. However, public figures are victims of identity theft at a frequency that is totally unmanageable for Mastodon instances. It is therefore necessary to be able to distinguish them from fake accounts.

ParadisFraise

@Gargron If public figures come to Mastodon, each time part of their community will also come.

pax

@Gargron yeah, fedi is huge and will grow, destroying #birdsite
and #facebook and #youtube
at least, I hope so.
and I hope that #accessibility will inprove, because the standard web client, is too cluttered.

Macero

@Gargron I tried it out several times over the years and it just never stuck. I’m going to give a real gonthis time around.

Arzeus

@Gargron Well a post with 2k+ interactions says a lot. Congrats btw

Turn Left media

@Gargron completely new to this platform. Looking for Socialist/ left political community

koelo

@Gargron fr, i can agree with you here, alot of people realizing that social media sucks and that they censor people for no reason, they can just do anything they want to users just like youtube does, they demontize creators for no reason. Its good to see people switching to a decentralized platform like mastodon. Im really happy about it.

Who's that what's that?

@Gargron
It could ALWAYS be done differently. Just think how many different social media pages have been and gone since the internet began

Elliott Bignell

@Gargron I'd been looking for something similar on-and-off for years. I've been troubled by corporate models of social media all along. Recent events motivated me to finally start using Mastodon as my main venue.

jpz

@Gargron I'm really intrigued having just arrived. It brings back my memories of the old world-wide-web, when it was pockets of intresting eccentrics, rather than the firehose of consensus.

Gregorius Advena

@Gargron I discovered it years ago. It's a coincidence that I'm coming back at a time when so many Twitter orphans are arriving. Great job!

Haroldinho

@Gargron Too bad the user experience is terrible. 😔

Tom Veneny

@Gargron I'm noticing even people with thousands of followers are slowly going to mastodon.

So good luck with whole new chapter for mastodon. ;)

GN

@gargron does mastodon.social take contributions? And how? Seems stretched so no sign-ups allowed .

Akayezu Jean de Dieu

@Gargron You're right... Being a subscriber on social media is interest of the owner

RandomnessUnlimited

@Gargron absolutely true. Needs a bit more polishing before it reaches the billion users.

AJ

@Gargron I have a feeling this is literally only the beginning too. I’m excited and nervous in equal measure. Let’s see how this goes… 🤗

David Dault

@Gargron Agreed - but it has to work, and Mastodon UX just feels buggy AF right now for folks migrating over from Twitter.

Janice Braden

@DaultRadio @Gargron Just joined yesterday looking for a Twitter alternative. I joined mastodon.world but most I know are mastodon.social & now I can’t see their follower lists to build my own. Can’t even get mastodon.social addresses when I search. It should be about connecting with people and the “federation” barriers should be invisible to me. Love the not-for-profit model but man this is frustrating.

Chloë Lum

@janicebraden @DaultRadio @Gargron having the exact same frustration. Unless friends posts their user ids on other platforms, I can’t find anyone.

Joseph Ishie

@Gargron this still remains an issue. The siloing

Eugen Rochko

@jt_ishie Yes. It's frustrating, I thought our messaging was pretty clear, but turns out it's not.

Tim Morris

@Gargron @jt_ishie possible to automatically put people on a ‘newbies’ federation by default, so they don’t know have to choose on day one. Present the opportunity to switch once the concept is well understood after use.

Hiding in a pillow fort until march
@tmmo @Gargron @jt_ishie the bubble timeline feature is always there for a-stealin' :aismart:
Arthur van der Harg

@tmmo @Gargron @jt_ishie But how are they going to learn Mastodon culture if they’re on a newbie farm filled with people who do not know Mastodon culture? Imagine they’re all fresh from Twitter, behave as if they’re all still on Twitter and conclude “Oh well, Mastodon is just like Twitter!” That’s a recipe for disaster.

I think may sysadmins would just defederate the newbie instance anyway.

Tim Morris

@ArtHarg @Gargron @jt_ishie design it so after ‘x’ time or ‘x’ interactions, some messaging occurs that it’s ‘time to choose a federation’. Some will have done it manually anyway, but hopefully most will have had enough interaction for this to feel less confusing.

Arthur van der Harg

@tmmo @Gargron @jt_ishie That may lead to less confusion for the individual, but it does not solve the catch-22 that one needs to be immersed in a culture to experience and adopt it. Put newbies on a newbie farm and a newbie culture will develop there.

IMO the strength of Mastodon is precisely that different instances house different communities with different mores. The aim should be to guide newbies to an instance that is appropriate for them.

Arthur van der Harg

@ArtHarg @tmmo @Gargron @jt_ishie I’ve seen an intake procdure where I was asked a couple of questions about what I was interested in and what sort of ‘environment’ I would like. I got some proposals and checking out the local timelines gave me a feeling for the community there. Maybe prospective users should me made aware that this is how one is supposed to enter the Fediverse. Shape expectations and guide them.

Joseph Ishie

@Gargron thanks for the feedback. We would also like the twitter spaces feature 😉☺️🙃🙂😇 on here.

SarraK

@Gargron @jt_ishie I gotta admit I had to ask how servers worked on twitter and when someone told me it didnt matter at first it was easier to complete the signup. Pretty sure people might abandon the process, maybe either default server for newbies or just a quick note like « choose later » ? Other than that congrats, the platform seems pretty great so far.

ParadisFraise

@Gargron What also scares Twitter users is the fact that often only one person moderates a Mastodon instance, and if that person doesn't like someone, she can abuse the moderation tools at their disposal. And people who are victims of this abusive moderation may then have difficulty migrating to another instance if their account is blocked, for example, not to mention the fact that messages cannot be transferred.

jpz

@Gargron Wow, I am getting such flashbacks to the internet as it was a generation ago. I can barely put it into words. There's something great here. Maybe this is the moment for the Cambrian explosion.

Sihle

@Leader_Albert @Gargron Me too trying to figure this out. Seems like a lot of silos though.

Albert

@mamattison @Gargron seems there is some problem about this app. I can't find any people who shared his pseudo with me

KatLaRonde

@Leader_Albert @Gargron same. I can’t even find people if I know their @

Albert

@KatLaRonde @Gargron i think they will probably find a way to fix that

N___

@Gargron Deleted my original reply as it was half wrong.

I'm back after 5 months and the platform is slower and more tedious. Not sure if it's the traffic or something else. I'll use it more if issues like these are solved. User experience is key for me. Today couldn't load home page and am still unable to edit profile. I invited some I know to join but no point if it's not scalable.

I'm all for decentralized web and am thankful to those who build and support it. I hope it rises well.

Ömer Gürdoğan

Thank you for all your work!
Large organisations using Twitter and Mastodon becoming mainstream seems like a chicken and egg problem. Are there any efforts to break that?

kryphos

@Gargron congratulations for all the great work, that now finally gets exposed to a large audience.

I'm grateful for mastodon, I'll do my best to convince people to build their networks here.

AdamBomb

@Gargron
as long as the capitalists dont take over, it seems like a cool system.

Alligatorchamp

@Gargron The biggest issue is they are coming over here thinking this site is going to ban Republicans and independents who disagree with the Democrat party, just like Twitter was doing over there. Eventually, they will realize this is not such site, and they might once again choose to leave. MAYBE. The only positive side in all of this is more users, and people realizing you should be able to write more than 120 freaking words, like I just did.

Michael Singletary

@Gargron can we please get toot importing when we migrate to a new server? :)

Lois Keller

@Gargron Thank you for creating an equal space!

on11oniki

@Gargron It actually is relying on the strongest instinct of us: feeling of indigenousness. You can create your space or have an impact on how your space is moderated or designed. So after all these "metaverse" bs, the public speaking space with decentralized control is giving people something other than forced interaction.

Nikos Roussos

@Gargron any insights about reducing storage footprint of federated content? (check: github.com/mastodon/mastodon/i)

It’s becoming extremely expensive for a small independent team/org to run an instance.

Definitely Not A Cat

@comzeradd @Gargron how much resources is your instance consuming right now? I ask because I've got some old server hardware laying around and I'm thinking of spinning one up but it's literally my first day on mastodon

Sihle

@Gargron Yes people are starving for a better way.

Melanie R.

@Gargron Being an open source app was definitely a selling point.

Raffaele Angius

I used and appreciated it back in the 2018, but now I see that almost all the people I used to interact with at the time meanwhile had left. How to make it more engaging?

jmp

@Gargron I didn't join to complain, but I don't think Mastodon is going to shine as much as you think it will. I joined in June and I have already quit three times in frustration. This may be different, but it is not a better way. Mastodon is not intuitive to use. It feels like running through a maze. It's also slow and I occasionally have to refresh my browser because the page just failed to load. And the mobile app doesn't have all the features available on the web. Mastodon needs more work.

Dana Rail

@Gargron Twitter has been my main thing and may continue to be, but after everything that's happened this past week, I figured I had to check the joint out.

The place is a little confusing, tbh, but I may yet get the hang of it.

In the meantime, I'm thinking of Mastodon as my Go Bag, in case the house is well and truly on fire.

Qozi

@Gargron I know there was a huge surge around when Trump was making everything awful online, but all the options for an app weren't that functional. Coming back to it is pretty nice.

Shoq

@Gargron All thanks to your hard work. But as I think you yourself said once somewhere, it has to now evolve beyond your vision, so it doesn't succumb to the same monovision and monocultural fails that impacted Twitter.

James Slezak

@shoq @Gargron urgent needs:
- sign-up must be frictionless, vs now it is confusing for most users —> in progress ✅
- this is supposed to be microblogging. so 2-ish posts should not take up my entire mobile screen —> more compact UI (reduce line spacing) and/or shorter character limits ◻️
- we want creators on the site. they should have an ability to build audiences or they won’t join. let them go viral ◻️
- quote-posts are not just about dunking. the experience should allow them ◻️

Shoq

@Jslez @Gargron

I have been trying to make that point to Eugen and others for 2 years. This idea that "quoting" a post is only used for "dunking" is just not a modern take. It's widely seen as one of the best features of Twitter. It needs reconsideration fast, because it's very hard to share important content without it. Twitter was not just about thoughts and opinions, but propagating information.

James Slezak

@shoq @Gargron exactly! it’s a great way to amplify somebody’s post in a helpful context. if there was a post relevant to our discussion here, it would add enormously to our interaction to be able to drop it in as an inset quote-reply

Ive had to do workarounds here in super awkward ways to support people signing up. Someone asks “Why does this feature work this way?” and we need to be able to drop in a relevant thread as a reply. Twitter figured that out only recently but it works brilliantly

James Slezak

@shoq @Gargron he’s correctly seeing that their algorithm is driven by crass ad commercialism, but it seems like he’s attributing that instead to enabling super-valuable actions that people want and need

Professor Charles Haas

@Gargron For someone who remembers USENET, this is not new at all.

StarkyRubble

@Gargron AND...
It will strain every tendon - stretch every sinew - abuse every muscle - and light up every synapse in the system so fasten your belts, you're in for a ride!

Drew Meehan

@Gargron I’m not sure whether the state it’s in today shows that, or the exact opposite. Mastodon isn’t even functional at the moment, much less an example of how to do things differently, and the UX is proving to be confusing and unwelcoming. Maybe notifications for when your feed can load or search is working would help?

Sami Seppo

@Gargron I would suggest a slight visual enhancement/clarificaton to the toot-box:

- only Language-referation shown textually
- ContentWarning shown as shield symbol
- Informal headline for setting a poll

Albrecht

@Gargron Can we please have IPv6 support for mastodon.social? I understand you use Hetzner servers so it should be pretty easy. I‘d love to help you with that if you want.

Chris

Hey all I just started a petition at change.org to investigate corporations for causing inflation and capitalizing on record profits at the detriment of everyone else. Please please share and sign! Thank you! chng.it/xtCGQ8kV

***Dave Hill

@Gargron I became aware of the Fediverse first when Google+ shut down and there was a big move to Diaspora*. I am curious to see how this all turns out.

John Wesley :verified:

@Gargron

We need a lot more features. It would be interesting if you announce that you are working on updates.
😊

CautionWIP

@Gargron I seem to have forgotten my password, but the system won’t send me a password reset, so I’m stuck with this single log-in via the Mastodon app, and I’d like to try out the web interface and other apps. Is this likely to be resolved any time soon?

Justadutchguy

@Gargron There is still a lot to find out. Painfully exposing how much of an "end user" in critical communication infra we have become. #twitter #mastodon

Pamibee

@Gargron I'm looking forward to it. Waiting to get on to mastodon.social. I'm not sure what exactly I'm on right now, but I'm here responding to you. I heard other people are having trouble figuring it out too. Take care.

Truculence

@Gargron I am rapidly becoming enamored with Mastodon, after figuring out the concept and how to join up. Thank you for rethinking the social spaces we spend our daily lives in and around!

Will is too honest to be an MP

@Gargron what's the easiest way for us to make a donation to Mastodon, to allow your non-profit to increase capacity?

James @ Temples of Syrinx 💠

@WilliamNB @Gargron Will see my easy 2 step guide below:
1. Click on the "about" link next to your server instance name (bottom left in desktop browser site)
2. Click on patreon link (or whatever your server uses) in the description and set up a payment.

Screen grab with the About link and the patreon link highlighted.
Markus Eicher

@Gargron Hi Eugen. You and many other developers, moderators and instance admins do a great job, thank you! 🙏 I only started embracing the benefits and advantages the #fediverse delivers since I joined earlier this week. What is your position about actively encouraging people to join #mastodon? I mean are there initiatives to make it easier to migrate to the #fediverse? Do you plan to use the actual hype to promote the switch to this community? I would like to volunteer for that, if I can help.

John Holmes

@Gargron Melon Husk really knows how to boost a social network, doesn't he?

Brian Chavignol

@Gargron I feel like I drove 1500 km in a raw and realize someone had put some beers into the fridge for us all. Thank you so much !

Mark Hughes

@Gargron I think the best way to conceptualize it to #twittermigration folks is that it’s like if your Twitter feed was only switching between Communities you’re part of, never a single simultaneous feed of every topic unsorted on top of each other like Twitter. So on Mastodon, you only jump into an individual content category you want to focus on at a given time.

Tim Hadley

@Gargron I think a lot of the press is still confused. The articles I've seen still tend to refer to Mastodon as if it were one system instead of a lot of interconnected ones, and they only mention the idea of federation in passing if they mention it at all.

WhiskyDelta ඞඞඞ

@Gargron I hope you don't make a massive ban for telling the secret truth of governments. Got me?

Cotopaxi

@Gargron I also think it's important for we newcomers to respect that Mastodon has its own cultures and communities that flourished before the Great Twitter Diaspora. Mastodon shouldn't be approached with a sense of making it over in the image of a more familiar platform, but augmented by what new people have to offer. Personally, I'm in awe of the warmth and friendly help being offered so readily, very much appreciated.

bacigalupe

@Cotopaxi @Gargron just hope it is not like the twitter of the last few years and more what that platform was more than a decade ago, it was exhausting the hate there. As a newbie I hope to learn the ropes and find some conversation and community.

Sedunker

@Gargron and all it took was the example of an unruly billionaire trashing the bird site like a bull in a china shop

Antonio Serrata

@Gargron Thank you for creating this. I hope it takes off as the platform we all had hoped Twitter would be.

gullixo

@Gargron I am getting a lot of timeouts and 524 errors by using any App or in browser making Mastodon almost impossible to use. Do you know if there is a plan to improve server capacity by time?

gullixo

@Gargron I am getting a lot of timeouts and 524 errors by using any App or in browser making Mastodon almost impossible to use. Do you know if there is a plan to improve server capacity by time?

gullixo

@Gargron I am getting a lot of timeouts and 524 errors by using any App or in browser making Mastodon almost impossible to use. Do you know if there is a plan to improve server capacity by time?

gullixo

@Gargron I am getting a lot of timeouts and 524 errors by using any App or in browser making Mastodon almost impossible to use. Do you know if there is a plan to improve server capacity by time?

Raj 🇬🇧🇪🇺💻🖥️ 🔶 (🌻🇺🇦)

@gargron But that was the theory behind cryptocurrency mining, and yet we've seen the distributed control slowly being eroded and replaced by a couple of super-giants.

There is scope for that to happen with your baby, too, if one or two specific instances decide to invest resource in responsiveness and scalability, and go on to appeal to a wider audience.

ϻค𝔬ᑭ

@Gargron

Your wish is my command. :blobcatheart:

Fubar

@Gargron It did in India several years ago. This is not the first mass twitter migration

Hari

@Gargron and we now see Dorsey’s is pushing his Bluesky “decentralized social media platform” initiative as the next step in the evolution of social media platforms. Wonder where he got the idea from? :ablobwink:

smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊)

@Gargron

> It's a great opportunity [..] social media can be done differently [..] protocol not under control of any single company.

A protocol that after standardization was lost control of, to the extent that any additional extension lives mostly only in codebases making broad interoperability ever harder to achieve.

No coordinated, productive dev community. One app, Mastodon, somewhat in control of their fate. Is it a Yahoo? With all the CEO's, CTO's, serial entepreneurs now gushing in?

Jo

@Gargron hey there! I would love to know if I'm going to be able to join this server at some point in the future, right now it just gives me a Forbidden error. Guess you're having a couple of busy days right now but like in the future? Next month? 😄

Elias Mårtenson

@Gargron Similar to how email is being coopted by Google, I can see a situation where some major company creates a Fediverse server that is so good that everybody uses it. Then they'll turn off federation and we're back to where we were before.

Google already did it with XMPP.

TrechNex

@loke @Gargron the good thing is that people are wise to that, so they can defederate from or silence such a server.

In fact, given Google's moderation policies would probably be similar to Purism's, I suspect even if they aren't wise to that the incentives would be skewed towards defederading. 😂

It can't be the best option if joining that server only shows you other people on the same server via a custom app and a tiny subset of the rest of the fediverse.

Björn Lindström

@loke @Gargron It's a great opportunity for people to *yet again* see that social media can be done differently. :-)

RiderExMachina

@loke
I learned that this is already being done by the Japanese website Pixiv.

That would be like if DeviantArt from 2006 made their own Mast instance and didn't federate

kros

@Gargron is there a public roadmap somewhere? How's funding? Will this project survive if a VC funded startup uses the same architecture but makes it more user friendly?

salworth

@Gargron are there instructions lol? I am struggling

cie

@Gargron Why is it that on your instance the only thing I can see is the message "To use the Mastodon web application, please enable JavaScript…" while I haven't encountered this "bug" on other instances? Here I was thinking the internet was about the transfer of information but little did I know that this apparently "requires" JavaScript while I have been disabling JavaScript in my browser for ages to protect my security and privacy. How foolish of me...

Scharada Dubey

@Gargron Thanks. I was active here in 2019, then resumed being on the bird site. Am so happy you peeps have stuck with your original idea and I can see the fediverse expanding every hour.

Lee

@Gargron Thank you for all that you are doing. I know it can be really challenging to scale well especially given the influx of us from birdland.

malloc

@Gargron well… before Facebook and Twitter we had Usenet and irc, social media that was independent of big corporations. Then the users moved to the corporates of their own free will.

iHogi 🇺🇦🌻🚵‍♀️🏌️‍♀️🎸

@malloc @Gargron yep, in the days of uucp and modems, 9600 baud was golden, ascii text ruled, not the media of today, and we still had bad actors to deal with … comes with territory

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