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Per Axbom

You may be aware that there is something called the #Fediverse.

But do you know about all the different types of applications that run on the Fediverse?

I made this visual to give myself and others something to point at when explaining "the big picture".

You may be surprised by how many services beyond Mastodon there are to explore.

Download it for free here and use as you please:
axbom.com/fediverse/

That post also has links to all the different applications.

#FediTips

76 comments
Sly-Little-Fox(xo)

@axbom Wow, I only knew Pleroma/Akkoma, Misskey/Foundkey, Mastodon/glitch-soc, GNU Social, Funkwhale, PeerTube, PixelFed, WriteFreely

anubis2814
@axbom youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzg… Here's a better understanding of the greater fediverse with 3 2-minute videos. You may not be a newby but this is a good explainer for newby's. I personally prefer friendica because I can interact with all the fediverse including diaspora where the G+ refugees went to, as well as the fact that I can filter twitter through it and purge out all the garbage.
aqunt

@axbom huh! I think I once had a diaspora account. Better look it up.

Adamas Nemesis

@axbom Our software is awesome, and the best part of all? There's still *massive* room for improvement. We could rule the world!

Bill Ricker

@axbom Lovely picture, thank you ! Our local FLOSS for Senior Citizens group is meeting tomorrow and i have to explain how Mastodon isn't the whole Fediverse, this is perfect !

Per Axbom

@n1vux Excellent to hear! Thanks for the feedback.

Geo Stokes

@axbom this is awesome! Thanks for sharing 💪

OnlyFeatures

@axbom Does that mean I can federate into one of these other applications with my identity from here?

mikefordays

@onlyfeatures
Yes. You can follow accounts from any of the other services that use the activity pub protocol.
@axbom

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Yes, many fediverse services are compatible, so you can just follow them, see their post, and reply to it.
@onlyfeatures @axbom

djsumdog
I totally forgot Diaspora was a thing ... one of the earliest attempts at distributed social networking from the mid 2000s ... total failure since VMs were expensive back then and no one wanted to set up an insane stack of Rails, Mongo, and god knows whatever else ... but I do remember they talked about implementing ActivityPub
nancy

@axbom It seems like the fediverse is a lot of what Blockchain promised to be.

jamie hill 🏴‍☠️

@axbom this is so cool. it feels like the internet felt in the nineties.

EricH

@hilljam @axbom I agree! Just when you think you have it figured out, now back to the learning!

Tobias
Nice work @axbom :) but Diaspora*--sadly--does not support the ActivityPub protocol. Otherwise I love the representation of the tree!
Robert W. Gehl

@axbom I'm going to put this on a slide for #aoir2022 right now!

Per Axbom

@robertwgehl I'm just updating it within an hour. Keep an eye out :)

Robert W. Gehl

@axbom heh, too late! But will get the new version for the next talk. Really helpful illustration!

Per Axbom

@robertwgehl Oh well done. Already used in a talk. I'm impressed 😅

Hendrik Erz

@axbom nice little overview, thanks! But what does Nextcloud have to do with it …?

Per Axbom

@hendrikerz Nextcloud announced the alpha version of ActivityPub social features in 2018. More recently they also announced this:

nextcloud.com/blog/no-need-to-

Hendrik Erz

@axbom Interesting, so they're not using it the way Mastodon is. Very interesting, thanks for the link!

🐍 Lex 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️

@axbom this is awesome, thank you!

What, if anything, is the advantage of having accounts on multiple (micro)blog sides like mastodon? I get the purpose of the separate video, music and photo ones, but many of these look at first glance like alternatives to mastodon. Is that the case and it’s just user’s choice/where someone feels most comfortable?

Per Axbom

@LexxAstar Yes I would say it's more often a user preference. They have different interfaces, features and integrations. I understand Friendica for example has a Twitter add-on, and supports the diaspora protocol.

Hans Gerwitz

@axbom I love Micro.blog, but do they belong here? Indieweb is sadly not fediverse, etc.

Per Axbom

@gerwitz It's a fair question. I explained a bit more on the page itself. Fediverse doesn't really exclude commercial actors?

I also think it would be fair to add Wordpress. What would be your take on that?

Hans Gerwitz

@axbom I *assume* there's an ActivityPub plugin for Wordpress, but that's way outside my lane

Per Axbom

I have version 1.1 of "The many branches of the Fediverse" ready for you. 😄

Thank you to everyone who pitched in with suggestions of improvement (all visible in the thread).

You can download PNG and PDF versions on my blog post, which also has a bit more info and links to the applications.

Download for free and use as you please. Preferably to spread the word about the benefits of federated publishing and local instances. 😊

axbom.com/fediverse/

#FediTips

Per Axbom

@erikkemp Thanks. Will collect all these in a list for the next version.

I was big on Drupal many years ago. Amazed at how many projects I'm rediscovering.

Per Axbom

@erikkemp Yeah, I link to the Wikipedia page from the post. My intent is not to have the tree be complete in its coverage, but complete enough to have interesting conversations around it, and use it as a tool for explanation.

Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@axbom wonderful! Thank you for your work on this.

However... would you be open to a conversation about the license?

I've done some copyright trainings in the past, and based on my and others' experience I believe that -NC is problematic. And that for most people and works, -SA would be more effective in achieving what they are often trying to achieve through -NC.

Per Axbom

@rysiek definitely open to that conversation! Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Honestly I was probably a bit too quick when typing that license on the image. I usually have SA I realised!

But I also usually have NC in combination with this. You would suggest not having NC at all? My though when adding this for my blogs is to avoid people making books to sell with my content.

Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@axbom right. Thank you for being open to this. Also, I want to very clearly recognize this is of course your art and your decision, and I have no business telling you how to license things! I hope that's obvious, but I feel it needs to be said. :blobuwu:

The problem with NC is that it is vague and undefined. For example: can Wikipedia use an NC-licensed work? Wikipedia is supported by donations, and one *could* argue their use is therefore "commercial" in some sense. So Wikipedia avoids NC.

Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@axbom but can I use your NC work on my blog? I blog for fun, and have no money in the game, so this sounds safe. But I also use my blog to promote myself, and sometimes I might get hired to do something based on the contents of it. Is that "commercial"? I don't know.

Imagine an NGO that got grant money to promote the Fediverse. Can they use your fantastic work (with attribution, of course!)? NC does not make it clear, and if I were running that project, I would probably decide not to risk it.

Per Axbom

@rysiek Valid points. My take was always that it's about the artefact itself. So okay to showcase in commercial settings but not to sell on its own as the reason for charging money. But I see where it can make people hesitate. I'll have a think about it.

Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@axbom right. So that's the biggest downside for me. NC makes the work risky to use, and thus it will not be used by projects and in contexts that you might presumably want the work to be used in.

SA solves this better in some ways. For example, no Big Corp would ever take an SA-licensed work and use it in an ad campaign or a product, film, etc, because they would have to release the whole thing under SA. Not gonna happen.

I totally get your "I don't want people to make books with my content"…

Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@axbom …but the way I see it (and I do have an SA-licensed blog), if somebody finds a way to monetize my SA-licensed content before I do, good on them!

And there is a reasonable chance they will pay me anyway, so that I produce more of new juicy content for them to publish.

That's obviously a very personal take, but I think it's worth considering.

Per Axbom

@rysiek In this particular case I'm also truly myself of the conviction that people can use it when consulting, to show the concept of the Fediverse. Just not print and sell copies of it.

Thinking like that it makes sense to drop the NC :)

Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@axbom right? 🙂

Plus, some people *will* print and sell it anyway, regardless of the license. These people will just ignore the terms anyway, be it NC or SA or whatever else.

Finally, all CC licenses allow you to be very clear how the attribution needs to look. You can be very specific about how it needs to be placed, etc, on a printed rendition, for example. Perhaps that's a way to deal with that issue as well, while switching to SA:
creativecommons.org/licenses/b

Agarwaën

@rysiek @axbom Remember an author retains the right to change the licence s/he has put her/his work under. Even with an -nc licence, the NGO of your example can still contact the author to get an explicit authorization to use her/his work and create derivate works.

Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@agarwaen @axbom absolutely, all of these licenses are non-exclusive.

That said, that *is* another step to take, and there *is* a (perceived) chance the author says "no". So it *is* a risk, still.

malte

@rysiek @agarwaen @axbom finding the author's contact, writing them, and then *waiting for the answer* is prohibitive in many, especially precarious/non-profit creative processes.

*could* i have asked xkcd to drop the nc from their battery-horse-staple comic to include it in some educational material that was printed and given away for donations? _very_ theoretically 😅😅😅

malte

@rysiek @agarwaen @axbom on the other hand *no one* took my excellent cc-zero or cc-by-sa materials to extract the maximum profit, which is a little bit insulting to be quite honest 😑

Mina

@axbom akkoma seems to be vital Pleroma fork, tho it's not fully renamed yet

Heidi Li Feldman

@axbom Hello and thanks for the visual. You might want to take out Plume bc on their site they say they are no longer active maintaining it and referring people to other sites.

Per Axbom

@oaz @matrix

I feel there is a balance here where I do not want to confuse people with too many protocols, but yes, Matrix should ideally deserve its own tree. I have another iteration planned for tomorrow. I’ll see if it makes the cut.

Thanks :)

Tobias
thanks @axbom <3 perfect for a little presentation I have next week on the topic.
Debbie Goldsmith 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈

@axbom Still under development, so I don’t know if you want to include it yet: mstdn.social/@Goldfish/1085974 I’m not affiliated in any way.

Matthew Exon
@axbom It's a tangent but: you mention several different ActivityPub plugins for Wordpress. I've only seen this one, and it looks scary. What are the other options, and are there any tutorials/testimonials out there? Do they, like, work? I was going to experiment with that, but it's towards the bottom of my todo list...
Miakoda

@axbom
so can Mastodon talk to NextCloud?
If so, what can I do with that?
How is PixelFed different than Mastodon? I'm a computer nerd and kinda embarrassed I havent fully grasped the fediverse.

As The World Turns
@hellomiakoda

#Pixelfed is similar to #instagram for #photosharing of the fediverse, but pixelfed has many servers to pick from, like picking #email service provider.

Mastodon is one type of #microblooging services on the fediverse. It is similar to #twitter just without the #algorithm, ads, or tracking. Mastodon is not the fediverse, it is one of many microblogging/platforms of the fediverse.

I am also a #fedizen but I'm using a different microblogging service called #Friendica, still part of the #federated #universe or #decentralised #social #network. It's a little more like fb again without the #ads, #tracking. It's hooked into the fediverse as well. so we are all connected.

More info on Pixelfed
fedidb.org/software/pixelfed

Some service providers (instances)
pixelfed.social
pixelfed.de
pixelfed.fr
pixelfed.fi

For #videos, check out #Peertube
joinpeertube.org

More about the fediverse and its offerings. Check out fediverse.party

@axbom
@hellomiakoda

#Pixelfed is similar to #instagram for #photosharing of the fediverse, but pixelfed has many servers to pick from, like picking #email service provider.
Per Axbom

It's Friday and version 1.2 of "The many branches of the Fediverse" is published. Thanks everyone for your interest and engagement.

There is a changelog at the bottom of the post with more info, and you are welcome to download hi-res PNG and PDF versions of the diagram.

Do feel free to use this visual in any way you like, in your presentations, publish in your own spaces, etceteras. I'm just glad if you find it useful.

axbom.com/fediverse/

#FediTips

𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼
Hi @Per Axbom

does speak naturally ZOT / Nomad

ActivityPub is an addon
Inky Nibs

@axbom Thanks for sharing this. I'll be using it in a blog post later today (with full attribution, of course). It's very useful.

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