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Dr. Quadragon ❌

How the fuck all those kids who are supposed to be "digital natives" by now, don't understand how an URI works?

26 Oct 2022 at 10:51 | Open on mastodon.ml
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@drq Blame Google :blobowoevil:

26 Oct 2022 at 10:57 | Open on mstdn.io
Dr. Quadragon ❌

@tennoseremel I blame Apple and their iEcosystem.

Not for being an integrated ecosystem or being well-designed UI/UX-wise. Those are generally good things.

I blame Apple for being as much cloak-and-dagger about the inner workings of their products as they can fucking muster. I swear, even MacOS has never been as closed-down as iOS is.

I think, we can call it "hacker-hostile" or "tinker-hostile" design. The user interaction paradigm that not only discourages creativity and curiosity, but actively prohibits it.

I have no issue with "You don't need to know" kind of design. I use Gnome, FFS. The problem starts when this mutates into "You don't need to know, SO YOU CAN'T UNLESS WE CAN EXTRACT PROFIT OUT OF YOU" (here, have a paid SDK).

And everyone else is also in it for ripping off their strategy of being secretive and hacker-hostile as shit, including Google.

@tennoseremel I blame Apple and their iEcosystem.

Not for being an integrated ecosystem or being well-designed UI/UX-wise. Those are generally good things.

I blame Apple for being as much cloak-and-dagger about the inner workings of their products as they can fucking muster. I swear, even MacOS has never been as closed-down as iOS is.

26 Oct 2022 at 11:17 | Open on mastodon.ml
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@drq I'd say Apple does not actually do good UI. I mean, those checkboxes are atrocious…

26 Oct 2022 at 11:19 | Open on mstdn.io
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@drq

better, they know how to be cringe on tiktok.
26 Oct 2022 at 10:58 | Open on expired.mentality.rip
dolphin boy :puffhyper:

@drq@mastodon.ml bitches will call themselves "natives" but dont know how to live off the land

26 Oct 2022 at 10:59 | Open on puff.place
D:\side\

@drq does growing up in a digital greenhouse make one a digital native or a digital vegetable? :blobcatgooglytrash:

26 Oct 2022 at 11:01 | Open on mastodon.ml
Ави Кафазэн
@drq
ДА!!!!!
Недавно общался ИРЛ с одиим челом, который в свои 20 лет держал серваки лайнэджа, а сейчас даже не может на криптошизо перейти по причине "нет автоматического перенаправления с http на https")0))
26 Oct 2022 at 11:02 | Open on expired.mentality.rip
Evelyn fra denne andre øya

@drq@mastodon.ml vendors benefit from ignorant users, and now they've had time to create them

26 Oct 2022 at 11:18 | Open on misskey.bubbletea.dev
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Dr. Quadragon ❌
Evv1L (Эвил)

@drq spyphones were a mistake. I knew it :blobcatgooglytrash:

26 Oct 2022 at 11:29 | Open on mastodon.ml
Blue

@drq shall we really trust it since it's a sponsored content?

26 Oct 2022 at 11:31 | Open on mastodon.ml
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Evv1L (Эвил)

@ZySoua oh yeeees :blobcatgooglyholdingitsheadinitshands:

@drq

26 Oct 2022 at 11:43 | Open on mastodon.ml
Wrongthink

@drq >“They love technology,”

They don’t love technology. They just love what technology happens to be able to do for them.

I have written about this - Refuting Computer Literacy

26 Oct 2022 at 18:06 | Open on cdrom.tokyo
mhd

@drq If we just start with the assumption that smartphones are equivalent to TV and, well, phones, and not computers (despite neat M1 processors and whatnot), this stops sounding weird.

26 Oct 2022 at 11:44 | Open on tilde.zone
Drahflow

@drq
* They never had to debug their DNS resolution, so what is "hostname" exactly?
* They never had to htons() the port number, so what does it even do?
* They never `cd`'ed anywhere, so what should the path-parts remember them of?
* They never had to `netcat -lp 80` to debug obscure issues, so what would "http://" mean to them?
* They never had to put an `id` attribute anywhere, nor check the network-requests view, so what would be different about the local part?

> How the fuck all those kids who "can write" don't even know how to mix ink?

@drq
* They never had to debug their DNS resolution, so what is "hostname" exactly?
* They never had to htons() the port number, so what does it even do?
* They never `cd`'ed anywhere, so what should the path-parts remember them of?
* They never had to `netcat -lp 80` to debug obscure issues, so what would "http://" mean to them?
* They never had to put an `id` attribute anywhere, nor check the network-requests view, so what would be different about the local part?

26 Oct 2022 at 13:06 | Open on infosec.exchange
hehedomemeg

@drq Кто должен их обучать? Хотя, это в пустоту.

26 Oct 2022 at 16:06 | Open on mastodon.online
Simone Silvestroni (M2M)

@drq most digital natives I know barely know how to use email. Some don't even understand the concept of "email".

26 Oct 2022 at 17:24 | Open on indieweb.social
Elias Mårtenson

@drq because digital native does not mean that they understand technology.

They've grown up with technology in a similar way as my generation grew up with cars. We all use them but few can repair them.

There was a myth around the 90's where there was a belief that people growing up with tech would know it in the similar way as the geeks of the 80's did. They did forget that to use a computer in the 80's required you to know programming, to use a computer in the 90's required you to only understand files.

As the new century rolled over, things became even more streamlined, which was necessary to get more people to use it.

I have for a long time been of the opinion that the number of people who actually understand tech is constant. There is a certain proportion of the population who are willing to actually understand this stuff, and that doesn't change over time.

@drq because digital native does not mean that they understand technology.

They've grown up with technology in a similar way as my generation grew up with cars. We all use them but few can repair them.

There was a myth around the 90's where there was a belief that people growing up with tech would know it in the similar way as the geeks of the 80's did. They did forget that to use a computer in the 80's required you to know programming, to use a computer in the 90's required you to only understand files.

26 Oct 2022 at 18:08 | Open on functional.cafe
Александр
@drq @loke Yep, good point. Reminds me how it changed with cars. At first every driver was also somewhat mechanic. Then it was no longer required to know inner workings of car but the driving it still was rather complicated as lots of controls were involved and mastering gear shifting alone was a challenge. Soon it will be reduced to steering only.

At the same time cars themselves changed from something very tunable and hackable into huge black box with almost no "user serviceable parts inside".
@drq @loke Yep, good point. Reminds me how it changed with cars. At first every driver was also somewhat mechanic. Then it was no longer required to know inner workings of car but the driving it still was rather complicated as lots of controls were involved and mastering gear shifting alone was a challenge. Soon it will be reduced to steering only.
26 Oct 2022 at 19:03 | Open on friends.deko.cloud
MrClon

@drq did «electrical native» generation understand how electricity work? «Radio native» understand how radio work? What fraction of drivers understand how IC engine work?

2 Nov 2022 at 23:20 | Open on lor.sh
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