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David Revoy

Experiment: Stable Diffusion Ai (left) and Krita paint-over (right).
In short, this process is tedious. Fixing anatomy issues of the Ai takes a lot of time. Also, some parts are just too random to make sens (she eats chocolate? ) but I'll keep testing, many new possibilities!🍫

A screenshot of my computer monitor. Main app open, Krita. Two documents are side by side. One is a Ai generated picture with a lot of issue in anatomy and random copy/paste, but the composition, the colors are appealing visually. On right , I made a paint-over the image. It result in a random witch with a dress made of flowers captured while eating a chocolate bar.
29 comments
Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸

@davidrevoy Love to see people taking AI art as chance, not threat! ❤️

David Revoy

@Natanox 🙂 Oh yes, it's a big chance. I can't wait to storytell more and paint less tedious part of art that can be automated. (part in backgrounds, or anything a super Ai assistant could help). I already absorbed in my workflow digital-painting when it was fresh and new, 3D model paint-over, photobashing paint-over, and I'll reserve the same treatment for Ai assisted painting. I understand the one who are against; probably a mind set that put all innovations as a risk.

peacememories

@davidrevoy @Natanox My worries with AI in the art space are mainly that so many tools are incredibly proprietary but are marketed as open. Not to mention that we mostly don’t know how much of the data that went into a dataset was taken without consent. That stable diffusion is seemingly openly available is a good trend, though, and using it as assistance or inspiration seems to have lots of potential.

David Revoy

@peacememories @Natanox

Yes, the dataset is an issue, and generated art can be also infriging copyright holders (eg. no idea what Disney might think about lexica.art/?q=disney ) . Artist are suspicious that the dataset already use large part of Artstation and DeviantArt. For ArtStation; Epic Games boot it not long ago, and of course have a license on all the art here. That could make them in position of offering a commercial tool that use 'Ai' with their database.

peacememories

@davidrevoy @Natanox another story of big companies using free labor to consolidate their position of power… i do hope we will get a healthy space of open datasets and constructive use of machine learning in art.

Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸

@davidrevoy I see. Given backgrounds are / can be more abstract anyway it's really handy indeed. Especially with Stable Diffusion where you can give it a really rough version of a landscape to add all the details etc.

I guess people are simply scared as always, like when books, radio, movies, 5G etc. came around.
I just wish they were as sceptical in regards to what big tech companies is doing to them. AI is not the problem, the way it's may be...

Hélène
@davidrevoy Ça donne presque l'impression d'un GitHub Copilot ou OpenAI Codex, mais pour la peinture numérique... 🤔
sankakujin
@davidrevoy thanks for the insight. Nice to see exploration of this concept.
Le piaf

@davidrevoy Wait, what? You're using Adobe Illustrator?! 🙀

:yay:

Samuel

@davidrevoy ah well, non-square images still occasionally mess up body parts. At least faces are relatively consistent now with Stable Diffusion. Disco Diffusion used to make a complete mess of faces.
Its also a good idea to just generate a bunch of images and then cherrypick the best. SD is so fast that it's not really an issue anymore.

David Revoy

@sml Hi, thanks! Yes, maybe it can speed up for hands and specific background objects. I'll check the Inpainting workflow.
For faces; I think I'll always want to tweak them until they fit my style (or until Ai starts to be trained for my style).
All in all, I think paint-over to obtain a final piece is difficult, but good for quick setup and discovering ideas.

Stefan

@davidrevoy but there isn't any anatomy issues because it's exactly how the #Ai sees humans...😅😉

thomzane

@davidrevoy Can you share your prompts or commands?

thomzane

@davidrevoy Have you tried adding your name or training on your own work (if SD is not already trained on P&C)? This might be an obvious answer as I am on mobile.

David Revoy

@thomzane No, I haven't, I just went for witch on the general Lexica catalog to see if Pepper had an influence on the database. I can't spot anything.
I wanted to install stable diffusion, but to get a local database for the training, the website required a login and I put that to pause at this moment.

Mx Jookia

@davidrevoy Very interesting! I'd be interested to know how much time was taken out of the planning stage for this to find something that looked good enough to paint or come up with inspiration. Especially if you'd never think to even paint something like this.

David Revoy

@jookia That's where Lexica makes it easier for artist; and also less CPU intensive (when many prompts can be already catalogued) lexica.art/prompt/e3318184-761

Mx Jookia

@davidrevoy I'm very excited to know you're looking at how to integrate AI art in to your process or how it won't integrate.

But I'm also kinda annoyed that I spent like an hour doing Pepper AI requests begging for it to make a witch hat properly to which it said 'no'. Writing prompts to get an AI to output something is definitely a time sink and skill that needs to be factored if we factor in creating the AI art.

David Revoy

@jookia Yes, I played with the webUI , engineering good prompt sounds sometime to be an activity that could take me more time than starting to paint the thing 🤣

jtmoulia

@davidrevoy haha the more I look at the first one the more uncanny / confusing it becomes. Your paint-over, on the other hand, is quite beautiful. Thanks for sharing

smallcircles (Humane Tech Now)

@davidrevoy I love this, David 😻

Not an artist myself, but curious about the thoughts on the "Rise of AI" in the artists' fields I did a poll not too long ago. My own thoughts were like "Gee, this is kinda worrying trend and will be sorely disruptive".

So this opposite take and embracing of what new possibilities may be in store is very refreshing to me. Thank you. You are always inspiring!

Here's the other poll with (elaborate) discussion thread:

mastodon.social/@humanetech/10

@davidrevoy I love this, David 😻

Not an artist myself, but curious about the thoughts on the "Rise of AI" in the artists' fields I did a poll not too long ago. My own thoughts were like "Gee, this is kinda worrying trend and will be sorely disruptive".

So this opposite take and embracing of what new possibilities may be in store is very refreshing to me. Thank you. You are always inspiring!

Mr. Sir

@davidrevoy whoa! Using AI art as a helper tool is a great concept that I haven’t seen before. Nice!

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