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@gloopsies @bufalo1973 perhaps one thing that bothers me is the inconsistency. and to a smaller extent, how this isn't how UNIX has worked before.

5 Sep 2022 at 10:49 | Open on berserker.town
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@gloopsies @bufalo1973 it's also very much an admission that shared libraries and shared dependencies failed to do what they set out to accomplish, and an admission of defeat. "yes, multiple copies of things that do almost the same thing will have to exist on disk, and in memory space, only because they're all slightly different" and it's maddening.

5 Sep 2022 at 10:51 | Open on berserker.town
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@gloopsies @bufalo1973 i have a Microsoft sysadmin friend (yes, the "come to the dark side" Darth Vader jokes have already been cracked) and i wanted him to understand the situation with Snap. we chat in Norwegian. here's a translation of how i explained it to him:

"it's a bit like how you, on Windows, need umpteen different versions of Microsoft's Visual C++ library to make all your software work."

"and in recent years, the .NET Runtime. not to mention DirectX versions."

"one has, in the Linux world, tried quite hard to not end up in that situation."

"the Snap/Flatpak stuff lean more toward, no, it's not possible that all the programs use the same versions of various libraries and can live in the same environment, so they need to be isolated more. understandably, this results in a simple chat program eating 1 GB of disk space and 4 GB of memory because each program insists on running its own version of the Chrome engine. and that a chip that, on paper, should bring a space ship to the Andromeda galaxy, in practice uses all its energy on displaying a user interface that the user mainly employs to look at cats on Facebook."

@gloopsies @bufalo1973 i have a Microsoft sysadmin friend (yes, the "come to the dark side" Darth Vader jokes have already been cracked) and i wanted him to understand the situation with Snap. we chat in Norwegian. here's a translation of how i explained it to him:

"it's a bit like how you, on Windows, need umpteen different versions of Microsoft's Visual C++ library to make all your software work."

5 Sep 2022 at 11:13 | Open on berserker.town
Gloopsies :fedora:

@thor @bufalo1973

Flatpak actually addressed most of the storage problems already. It has a diff engine that saves a lot of space if different apps use same libraries (even different versions can be deduped with only version differences being left out). That and compression makes flatpak apps take even less space sometimes then native packages if you already have the runtime installed by other apps.

5 Sep 2022 at 11:20 | Open on fosstodon.org
Gloopsies :fedora:

@thor @bufalo1973

It's true that if you only have one or two flatpak apps it takes a lot more space but even if you install a kde app on gnome desktop with native packages it would take the same amount of space since you don't have the kde runtime so it's not comparable

5 Sep 2022 at 11:21 | Open on fosstodon.org
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