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Jerry Bell :verified_paw: :donor: :verified_dragon: :rebelverified:​

Hi all. Given the recent announcement from Meta about AI personas and allowed behavior, I am moving threads.net back to a limit, and will likely move them to a block in the future on infosec.exchange. I can’t ignore the reality that the changes they’re making are specifically intended to permit attacks on many of the people that call this place home. I won’t rule out that they walk the changes back, which is why I’m not jumping to sever the nearly 4000 mutual follow relationships between people on threads and here.

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Ian Campbell

@jerry I appreciate ya Jerry.

This is a thorny bastard of an issue, but I think we're gonna block soon.

Security Writer :verified: :donor:

@jerry I was one of those open to the idea of seeing how the ‘Threadiverse’ situation went and I fully support the idea to restrict it further now.

In the EU specifically, they won’t be cutting the moderation, but they will still be adding more AI interactions.

Jerry Bell :verified_paw: :donor: :verified_dragon: :rebelverified:​

@SecurityWriter I have never seen any indication that they actually moderate the things they claim the will stop moderating, but maybe it does happen and I just don’t see it, but exactly none of the reports I have made over the past probably 12 years have resulted in any action. For that reason, I think the community notes would not be a terrible addition.

Edit: I forgot an important word

Security Writer :verified: :donor:

@jerry This is very true, my experience there is always awful.

Also, on an international platform, it’s very hard to manage two different moderation approaches that are so diametrically opposed. Impossible even, you might say.

Amber

@jerry@infosec.exchange yeah i was a bit skeptical of this post before i remembered that mastodon does not have reversible defederations. for me, i can suspend threads without worrying about everyone's relations being destroyed but y'all can't because you're on mastodon. writing this not to criticize you but to remind other admins that instances still run mastodon and are limited by what they can do.

Mudd ~: :blinking_cursor:

@jerry

My pessimistic take on the situation: Think of the worst thing they can do, and they'll do it. Meta, Threads, and that ecosystem seem to have shown their hands. They seem to side on hostility and it will be used for evil.

draeath

@jerry I appreciate this level response - especially since we can always block the domain at a user-level as well (as I did yesterday).

Athos

@jerry their fediverse implementation is half assed either way so I doubt if there is going to be any real loss of value for a block

Richard "mtfnpy" Harman

@jerry thanks, as one of the few people following a friend who is on both threads/masto, I appreciate the limit v.s. block.

Jerry Bell :verified_paw: :donor: :verified_dragon: :rebelverified:​

@xabean it’ll impact me as much as anyone. I follow/am friends with a bunch of people on threads

kbal

If the one post I've seen so far from an actual threads user is anything to go by, it'll be no great loss if they get blocked.

Damiano Gacík

@jerry I understand your concerns! Given that these changes could have serious consequences for the community, it's definitely worth being cautious. Hopefully, Meta will realize this and maybe roll back some of the changes. Keep us posted on how things develop!

Cassander

@jerry I support you in this path, but I maintain that any service that allows harassment instigators like Chaya "Libs of TikTok" Raichik a platform has fundamentally failed its users and society at large.

I'll continue to use the personal server block on Threads.net.

ETA: I don't envy your responsibility in this situation, having to choose between the several bad options.

Mx Amber Alex

@jerry better late than never. But frankly? They didn't go bad overnight. They always have been. Cambridge Analytica was five years ago.

Every instance who blocked Threads the moment it began doesn't have nearly 4,000 mutual connections to worry about.

If people want to interact with the billionnaire nazi platform, they have to be on the nazi platform and pay the price, in the form of ads and nazi posts on their timeline. A better social media and interacting with Facebook are fundamentally incompatible.

You tried to have your cake and eat it too, and you still seem convined you can make it work.

@jerry better late than never. But frankly? They didn't go bad overnight. They always have been. Cambridge Analytica was five years ago.

Every instance who blocked Threads the moment it began doesn't have nearly 4,000 mutual connections to worry about.

If people want to interact with the billionnaire nazi platform, they have to be on the nazi platform and pay the price, in the form of ads and nazi posts on their timeline. A better social media and interacting with Facebook are fundamentally incompatible.

Fluffy Destroyer of Worlds

@jerry another voice in appreciation of this decision. I have some friends on Threads, and have the bridge enabled, but if this is the route they’re taking, it’s not worth it.

Newk

@jerry

Fuck yeah! We don't need that shit! We make our own social network with blackjack and hookers!

C++ Wage Slave

@jerry
If you do block Threads on infosec.exchange, would you be kind enough to post an announcement to .space? I would then move back to .exchange to benefit from the wider federation, and I imagine a lot of .space users would do the same. Thank you!

⠠⠵ avuko

@jerry thanks for taking action.

I am a white cishet guy, and though it doesn’t concern me personally, this is abhorrent (their whole community standards is filled with this christofascist pandering):

“[…] We do allow allegations of mental illness or abnormality when based on gender or sexual orientation, given political and religious discourse about transgenderism and homosexuality […].”

transparency.meta.com/en-gb/po

sadarex

@jerry As always, thanks for the good work!

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