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   @GossiTheDog so, with the windows blown out, it was still impossible to open the doors? And how did the remote control survive the fire? The lack of traveler's privacy is not even a question... @bonkers @GossiTheDog The fire was mainly in the load bed and the computer is under the hood surrounded by stainless steel? The LTE antenna evidently survived too. @dans @GossiTheDog anyway, for safety reasons, you should be able to always open the car from inside. And without the windows, it should be done easily from outside. If it's not the case, my condolences to cybershit drivers. @bonkers @GossiTheDog My Polestar and previous cars unlock when the car is switched off or, I presume, in an accident. Having proper door handles helps. I wonder if, as the bomber was still in the car, he didn't switch it off to unlock?  @bonkers @dans @GossiTheDog Well, many teslas have only electric inside door releases - For instance if the 12v battery of a model 3 goes dead people in the back seat can't open their doors from the inside. (The front seats have an emergency, mechanical release, but it can be tough to find by a person under stress.)  @bonkers @GossiTheDog traveler? Also person within camera range of *any tesla in the world* This sucks very hard.  @GossiTheDog this is why we use a modifed 2017 nissan leaf s becuse its a ev without all the  I am sure some police official has grown a picture of Musk in a dark room full of monitors typing arcane commands to unlock the car and download the videos. Whenever things become *so* extremely personal at a large organization, it never ends well. @GossiTheDog  @GossiTheDog I wonder just how much of this data was given without warrants. I'll be happily sticking to my pre-2003 vehicles until I'm no longer able to drive. Just like I won't allow the insurance company to track my every movement via an app. @iam_sysop @GossiTheDog Just to add to that, your car shouldn't send *any* data to any app while in motion, as that data may end up in insurances hands as they buy such data from data brokers (that's how it happens in US I think). @NazimHikmet @GossiTheDog exactly how it happens here. EVERY electronic anything that is internet connected sends data - and someone buys it. WE are the product here. @iam_sysop @GossiTheDog of course we are the product. In specifics of car insurances, they will look for data either directly from car or a mob app about cars. This is 100% the first dip into police state monitoring we will see from Musk. I am willing to bet that there will be some back room dealings to sell data from Tesla, probably via an ‘X-named’ intermediary for stacks of government money and power and influence. But wait … it gets better … his reach is international, any Tesla, any country, any person, any time.   i wonder if anyone's made progress replacing the Elon OS on a tesla with community software using the GPLed OS dumps  @GossiTheDog weird nit I know but why did they need to use video of the charging stations to track progress? Wasn't the thing just logging through waypoints the whole time? Like, didn't they literally already know the exact path it took before they even looked at the video? @FeralRobots @GossiTheDog This, as well as the truck has all the cameras attached to it, some pointed inward for "driver monitoring." If the doors can still have LTE unlock commands, I'm sure the MCU was also fine.  @kajer @FeralRobots My first guess as for an answer to that would be corroborating evidence. The logs show where it was at a particular time; here's video evidence that it actually was there (whether or not it would hold up in court for determining the time when the video was taken).  @FeralRobots @GossiTheDog
> why did they need to use video of the charging stations to track progress Only thing I can think of is to see if he met up with anyone at charging stops @GossiTheDog So how many times has Elon Musk or Tesla remotely unlocked a car for someone other than the owner? How many times volunteered surveillance footage? @GossiTheDog Or, a reminder to stay the fuck away from Tesla if you in any way value your privacy. @GossiTheDog every tesla is now a video surveillance device available to every police officer.  Hopefully in response to a court order otherwise any decent defence lawyer will get it dismissed 🫤🤷♂️ @simonzerafa @GossiTheDog Not in the US. A private company voluntarily gave out private information. Tesla broke no laws because there are no privacy laws in the US. Worst case for Tesla is a potential civil case for violation of privacy but the Tesla "Terms and Conditions" probably cover them. @dmaonR @simonzerafa @GossiTheDog exactly. Recently bought a Subaru and it explicitly requires that we agree that the driver and all passengers voices may be recorded and uploaded to Subaru. It sucks. There would be questions about the chain of custody and how the information was passed, was that secure etc. More than enough for a defence lawyer to question and raise doubts about. Also publicising this whole process might make it difficult to find a jury that isn't contaminated by reporting. @simonzerafa @dmaonR @GossiTheDog If the suspect was still alive, yes. But also, Elon is a billionaire. He's a real person, and the rest of us are not, so they'd conveniently ignore that bit.  @dmaonR @simonzerafa @GossiTheDog The remote unlocking of a personal vehicle is more at question. To put it another way, if I sell you a property and then use my old key before you rekey the place to let police in, that’s not consent on your part. In this case, it’s a matter of public safety, so while I think police were justified in needing to get into the car, if Elon didn’t consult his lawyer(s) before opening it, that might become an issue. @GossiTheDog like we didn't have enough evidence about this.. like when he banned the account that had his jet location and he was behaving like a 3 years old about his 'safety', while he can buy a private army of bodyguards (and probably has).  @GossiTheDog   So the cops are thanking private citizen Musk for INTERFERING IN THE RIGHTS OF THE TESLA TRUCK OWNER. And people do not understand that MUSK HAS TOO MUCH POWER AND TOO MUCH MONEY. YES Musk helped the cops------------break through barriers that protects all citizens privacy.   To me, the larger lesson is that a cybertruck is always under Elon's surveillance network.  @GossiTheDog I wonder how many other car companies have these same data tracking and remote control capabilites?  @faoluin @GossiTheDog There was some report... by EFF? Don't remember details, there was comparison of various car brands and overall results were like every modern car is privacy nightmare, even worse than all IoT crap :/ @madargon @GossiTheDog That was from @mozillaofficial 's now-defuct Privacy Not Included team. RIP. @faoluin The Volkswagen group seems to come pretty close for position tracking, at least. The Verge lists precise position for VW and Seats, and "within 10km" for Audi and Skoda. But there is no need to worry; according to the company, "no sensitive information such as passwords or payment details are affected" by that leak. https://www.theverge.com/2024/12/30/24332181/volkswagen-data-leak-exposed-location-evs @mkj @GossiTheDog "Don't worry, we only track your exact location everywhere you go. Nothing to hide, nothing to fear, etc. etc."  @GossiTheDog ...if you drive a Tesla. If not, then pissing off Elon is the right thing to do  @GossiTheDog With all that shit taken in mind, definitely my next car (fuck'em all) #CyberTruck #ElonTrump  @GossiTheDog Elon can suck my nuts. I just don't buy his products. Besides, what i'm working on will likely piss him off anyways.  @GossiTheDog Just a design suggestion: perhaps have the doors unlock automatically in the event of, oh I dunno, perhaps an explosion or fire? @GossiTheDog The sheriff's claim that "the vehicle was locked due to the nature of the force from the explosion" makes it sound like the explosion deformed parts of the car and caused the door to jam, but obviously that's not the case, since the car could be unlocked remotely. @GossiTheDog I'm surprised people are surprised at this. I'm disappointed in Tesla for rolling over and acceding to Spacekaren's demand, as it opens them up to legal problems regardless of how long he's on sleepover with DJT  |
@GossiTheDog nothing bad could ever come from giving one person that much power ...