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Remembering the time the GNU list of “free software code forges” refused to list Sourcehut because they say “Linux” instead of “GNU/Linux” in a few spots on the site, even though the “Linux” Sourcehut was referring to was Alpine Linux—i.e. objectively not GNU/Linux.

24 Jul 2022 at 14:24 | Open on tilde.zone
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sirlan - hater of linux

@nytpu imagine taking gnu and fsf seriously

24 Jul 2022 at 14:35 | Open on dragonscave.space
Abhiseck Paira :gnu: :gnuhurd:
nytpu ‮

@redstarfish Well this was several years ago when it was first submitted. I didn't know they listed it—although you'll note one of the points preventing it from getting an A is “Service description mentions: ‘Runs fully virtualised builds on various Linux distros and BSDs.’ (A8)”; A8: “Avoids saying “Linux” without ‘GNU’ when referring to GNU/Linux.” Note that yes, there are GNU/Linux distributions in the builds.sr.ht service, however there are also several non-GNU Linux distributions, and hence the term “Linux”, a superset of “GNU/Linux” and non-GNU Linux

@redstarfish Well this was several years ago when it was first submitted. I didn't know they listed it—although you'll note one of the points preventing it from getting an A is “Service description mentions: ‘Runs fully virtualised builds on various Linux distros and BSDs.’ (A8)”; A8: “Avoids saying “Linux” without ‘GNU’ when referring to GNU/Linux.” Note that yes, there are GNU/Linux distributions in the builds.sr.ht service, however there are also several non-GNU Linux distributions, and hence...

24 Jul 2022 at 16:30 | Open on tilde.zone
Abhiseck Paira :gnu: :gnuhurd:

@nytpu

Ranked B is not bad. I think the system was in place much before sr.ht existed. So nothing personal against sr.ht.

From gnu's pov having that kind of criteria is justified. Gnu has its own policies/mission. Listing something as A is basically boosting it. And when that service promotes stuff that works against gnu (like promotion of "opensource" or mislabelling gnu system as linux) it's like scoring an own goal.

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24 Jul 2022 at 17:22 | Open on social.linux.pizza
Abhiseck Paira :gnu: :gnuhurd:

@nytpu

That's why category A is reserved for services that boost gnu back.

There are many ways to say what sr.ht says without purposefully spreading misinformation e.g.,

"Runs fully virtualised builds on various free unices."

Or

"Runs fully virtualised builds on various GNU, Linux and BSD distributons."

So don't use Alpine as an excuse.

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24 Jul 2022 at 17:23 | Open on social.linux.pizza
Tirifto

@nytpu This post is very misleading. GNU does not have any list of ‘free software code forges’. They have a list of ‘GNU Ethical Repository Criteria Evaluations’, where they rate services for the purpose of hosting their own packages. The criteria include software freedom, but they also include other things they care about.

One of those things is that people shouldn’t be ‘saying “Linux” without “GNU” when referring to GNU/Linux’. Presumably they want people to call Linux (the kernel) ‘Linux’, and call complete operating systems other names (be it ‘GNU/Linux’, ‘UNIX-like systems’, or something else).

Moreover, failing to meet that criterion won’t even exclude you from the list; it’ll just prevent you from achieving the best rating. The reason sourcehut was not on the page for a long while is because updating it takes a long time. It is now listed as the second best option (after GNU’s own Savannah), as others have pointed out.

@nytpu This post is very misleading. GNU does not have any list of ‘free software code forges’. They have a list of ‘GNU Ethical Repository Criteria Evaluations’, where they rate services for the purpose of hosting their own packages. The criteria include software freedom, but they also include other things they care about.

24 Jul 2022 at 18:45 | Open on miniwa.moe
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