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Christoph G.

@monnier @RonSupportsYou @gleick German Wikipedia had a huge problem with bossy and overzealous admins for some time which made me and many others stop contributing. No part time editor can keep up with a deleter-in-chief. 🤷‍♀️

25 December at 7:55 | Wall-to-wall | Open on chaos.social
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Michael

@cg @monnier @RonSupportsYou @gleick That's why I always donated to wikimedia.org, but when I tried that a few weeks ago it was rejected (PayPal).

25 December at 10:03 | Open on mastodon.social
RonSupportsYou

@mnf @cg @monnier @gleick Wikipedia says it is still short of its fundraising goal. Wikipedia lists different ways to give here: donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ways
PayPal is not included on its list.Founders of PayPal include these two men who are thought of as among the worst people in the world: Peter Thiel and Elon Musk. I successfully donated to Wikipedia using my credit card. Other people can do this too.

25 December at 10:21 | Open on mastodon.social
Michael

@RonSupportsYou Thanks will try one right away and yes, PP was my least desired option.

25 December at 10:50 | Open on mastodon.social
Sirana

@cg @monnier @RonSupportsYou @gleick Yeah, the gatekeeping against everyone who is not a cis white guy seems to be really bad in the German one. And the French Wikipedia has (had?) some really bad transphobic crap going on. (Not sure how that ended, I only heard about it from multiple French people on reddit when the Wiki higher ups tried to force a vote against respecting trans people's pronouns or whatever and made absurdly high restrictions for who can participate...)

Support Wikipedia folks, but don't do it blindly and call them out for their bulllshit.

@cg @monnier @RonSupportsYou @gleick Yeah, the gatekeeping against everyone who is not a cis white guy seems to be really bad in the German one. And the French Wikipedia has (had?) some really bad transphobic crap going on. (Not sure how that ended, I only heard about it from multiple French people on reddit when the Wiki higher ups tried to force a vote against respecting trans people's pronouns or whatever and made absurdly high restrictions for who can participate...)

25 December at 10:46 | Open on eldritch.cafe
Christoph G.

@Sirablopp @monnier @RonSupportsYou @gleick
I am a cis white guy 😁
When I participated to WP one could start a page as a stub and people started adding to and refining the content. Now the page gets nuked because some dud feels his arbitrary quality or relevance criteria are not met. As long as there are no sufficient checks and balances for the admins (an no, your buddy agreeing with you is not sufficient), I for once will not waste my time trying to be good enough 🤷‍♀️

25 December at 12:57 | Open on chaos.social
RonSupportsYou

@cg @Sirablopp @monnier @gleick An organization such as Wikipedia has to have some standards, otherwise people will have pages for their spouses, even if a spouse did nothing other than get married to arguably deserve a page.

25 December at 13:00 | Open on mastodon.social
Christoph G.

@RonSupportsYou @Sirablopp @monnier @gleick
I know of indy bands who got asked to set up a WP page. So they did, added discography and all only to be wiped because they were not relevant. Without any chance for appeal.
Pages I started were deleted because they were "not good enough". No "please extend this", just gone. So I gave WP a heartfelt 🤬🖕 and stopped contributing.

25 December at 16:26 | Open on chaos.social
RonSupportsYou

@cg @Sirablopp @monnier @gleick I do not know the decision makers at Wikipedia. I did not know of your experience until you mentioned it to me. My experience with them is positive. They perform a useful function. There is always room for improvement.

25 December at 16:48 | Open on mastodon.social
Sirana

@RonSupportsYou @cg @monnier @gleick I assure you the topics and lists involved in the discussions I know about were not "pages for their spouses" and I'm sure neither were the ones Christoph mentioned. Here is one famous example: sciencealert.com/in-may-wikipe

But sure, just make up a fake argument nobody even brought up to feel good arguing against it, if that makes you happy. :)

25 December at 16:46 | Open on eldritch.cafe
RonSupportsYou

@Sirablopp @cg @monnier @gleick There is now a Wikipedia page for Donna Theo Strickland: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_St proving that Wikipedia is not perfect but it is getting better.

25 December at 16:52 | Open on mastodon.social
Christoph G.

@Sirablopp @RonSupportsYou @monnier @gleick
Let's stay chill 🤗. Ron is right in as much that there have to be standards. But these should be clear and unambiguous.

25 December at 16:54 | Open on chaos.social
Dipper

@cg @monnier @RonSupportsYou @gleick Sounds a little bit like how we Germans deal with (too many) things.

25 December at 18:02 | Open on mastodon.social
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