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'i am no man' Charlotte Eowyn!

@janetlogan the hilarious part is the original poem leaves us out even though we were the first fucking ones to go.

Janet Logan (she/her) 🏳️‍⚧️

@CharlotteEowyn

Yeah. Niemoller was a Luthern pastor. I have to wonder about his personal opinions of the LGBT community.

a fish named dog 🎗️

@janetlogan @CharlotteEowyn dunno but I've heard he was an antisemitic asshole who only changed when they started going after HIM so there's that

Passenger

@janetlogan @FishNamedDog @CharlotteEowyn

It's worse than you think I'm afraid.

Niemöller actively campaigned on behalf of the NSDAP during the election in which the Nazis took power. He described Hitler as "the man of providence" and claimed that voting for him was the only way to keep Germany christian and non-communist. Later, when Hitler was in power and it was too late, he turned against the Nazis.

After the war Niemöller claimed remorse and tried to rewrite history to make it seem as if he had always been antifascist. This largely worked: most people only know him as the man who did not speak out against Hitler, rather than the man who spoke out loudly and repeatedly in favour of Hitler.

@janetlogan @FishNamedDog @CharlotteEowyn

It's worse than you think I'm afraid.

Niemöller actively campaigned on behalf of the NSDAP during the election in which the Nazis took power. He described Hitler as "the man of providence" and claimed that voting for him was the only way to keep Germany christian and non-communist. Later, when Hitler was in power and it was too late, he turned against the Nazis.

Passenger

@CharlotteEowyn

Yep.

I personally feel that if Niemöller had actually been remorseful, it would have motivated him to be honest about what he did. But maybe that's just me.

Elenna :verified_transgender:​

@CharlotteEowyn @janetlogan disabled people were arguably targeted first. also left out. Romani people lost probably more as a share of their total population than any other group and they are left out. not a coincidence imo.

ℒӱḏɩę :blahaj:

@janetlogan The failed public school system is not teaching WWII history much. It's for compliance, not critical thinking.

Juho Mäntysalo

@Lydie @janetlogan

You mean that the public school system succeeds in what it strives to be, which is not teaching the history of minorities?

Amoshias

@janetlogan I spoke out because I'm a decent human being.

a fish named dog 🎗️

@Amoshias @janetlogan I spoke out because I'm Jewish and it may start with trans people but it'll always end with Jews.

a fish named dog 🎗️

@crazyeddie @Amoshias @janetlogan or queer people or romani or irish or native americans or..., but Jews are dying at some step of the process, assuming there are reasonable numbers of Jews there.

Janet Logan (she/her) 🏳️‍⚧️

@FishNamedDog

Those who use genocide to advance political ends will always be able to find another target when they run out of the first one. That's really the point of the original poem in my mind.

It never stops once it is allowed to start. And make no mistake, the intent of the attacks on #trans people is our genocide.

@crazyeddie @Amoshias

a fish named dog 🎗️

@janetlogan @crazyeddie @Amoshias pretty much. I think it's true of any state with a large apparatus that has been trained to view killing people as normal and good; you don't want to be next, so you redirect their anger, always redirect it. But eventually all the people you're directing your anger at flee or die, so you turn your anger to another group.

Keith

@janetlogan 100% I’ll stand up for my LGBTQ+ family and friends every day 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️

Jakob Krakel

@janetlogan

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

-- Martin Niemöller

@janetlogan

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Winter Trabex

@janetlogan

Trumpism is Sado-Populism. The cruelty is the point. The purpose the cruelty serves is to satiate oneself into feeling good about punishing others. The punishment, once begun, cannot end- especially when an entire political party has made punishment their identity.

For this reason, concentration camps are not only possible, but likely.

pockets

@trabex @janetlogan
"Fun" fact:
There are a few companies that build, run, and maintain detention centres in the US that can be found openly trading on the stock market.

GEO and CXW are the two I know about.

Not that I'm endorsing buying in, but keeping an eye on their trends might provide some advance warning for at-risk groups.

Winter Trabex

@pockets @janetlogan

Wouldn't those just be run by private prison companies? I doubt many of them have moral qualms about anything.

pockets

@trabex
It sounds like you're asking me for details about something I have only surface information about.

Let's start with the "easy" part of your comment, morality.

What's the quote about nobody thinks they're evil? In searching the web, I found a few variations, but not the exact one I wanted. Andrew McCarthy's is pretty close ("Nobody thinks they're evil or bad, they think that they're doing the right thing.")

I have enough trouble discerning the morality and motivations of neurotypical people who seem to have context-based fluctuations largely centered around "what they can get away with". If I tried to figure out the motivations of people working in an industry that I find deplorable, I worry I might drown.

Now to the more difficult part, because it's less subjective.

When I do a websearch for "private prison companies", I get:
- an article from Muckrock dated 2015 for top three corporations in the industry, two of them are the ones I mentioned above.
- a document from Prison Legal News dated 2017 for a partial listing of privatized correctional services companies. The two top names under Facility Operations are "GEO Group" and "CoreCivic", which are the two I highlighted above. Also, several of the other names on the list are denoted on the list of being subsidiaries of those two companies.
- an article from sentencingproject.org dated from 2024, which specifically highlights four companies, two of which are the ones I listed above.
- a direct link to the CoreCivic wikipedia page.
- a second article from sentencingproject.org dated from 2018 that describes CXW and GEO as the two largest private prison corps, "collectively manage over half of the private prison contracts in the [US]".

Furthermore, I have seen stock investment advice for Trump's second term that specifically mentions prison stocks of GEO, CXW, and AXON (hey, there's a third one!).

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Edited for a typo in the second mention of "sentencingrpoject.org"

@trabex
It sounds like you're asking me for details about something I have only surface information about.

Let's start with the "easy" part of your comment, morality.

What's the quote about nobody thinks they're evil? In searching the web, I found a few variations, but not the exact one I wanted. Andrew McCarthy's is pretty close ("Nobody thinks they're evil or bad, they think that they're doing the right thing.")

Winter Trabex

@pockets

For non-rich people, subsumation of the ego / self is a common practice in public life. ie, "no shirt, no shoes, no service."

For rich people, the ego / self need not be subsumed because one can simply create circumstances in which one's desires can be met, regardless of how objectionable or illegal they might be.

Western society uses punishment as a means of social correction not because it works (it doesn't) but because it feels good to those who aren't victims.

pockets

@trabex
Sorry, I ain't got no idea of what you just said or what it has to do with anything I just said. Be a dear and dumb it down for me?

rothko

@trabex @janetlogan i am trying to fight the urge to sign every email with "see you at camp!"

Chris Were ⁂🐧🌱☕

@janetlogan I agree with the sentiment, but I can't help but feel that 'speaking out' is kinda a nothing move. Takes little courage to put the world to rights online. Real life action is so much more important.

@pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS

@ChrisWere There are no nothing moves except those that needlessly condemn. You could so easily have used her post as a rallying point. Let’s support every effort no matter what and look for ways to build on it. Her post would be great on a sign in the back window of a car. (Removed or turned over when you weren’t in the vehicle.) @janetlogan

Chris Were ⁂🐧🌱☕

@Pineywoozle @janetlogan People are always allowed to make their own choices. I for one will continue to protect my trans friends in the community.

@pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS

@ChrisWere The two aren’t mutually exclusive. Glad you’re working in your community. @janetlogan

Chris Were ⁂🐧🌱☕

@Pineywoozle @janetlogan It's something I feel very strongly about. I'm not condemning - promise. I've just had some friends be the victim of some bigoted violence this year.

@pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS

@ChrisWere I’m sorry about your friends. It’s gonna be a rough few years. We’re gonna need every voice raised. ❤️

baconandcoconut

@janetlogan You can also speak up immediately because there's no group of people just existing that the government should be "coming for." Whether you think the rest of the poem includes you or not.

Pomegranate_Stew

@janetlogan
I have written so many freaking letters that promptly get ignored by my right-wing Catholic Republican asshole representatives and state senators.

And I’ll continue to write them because they need to hear that they’re bigots.

LukefromDC

@janetlogan And because as a Queer culture, non-monagamous Bi man I am certain I am next in line.

roblosricos

@janetlogan

"first, they came for the immigrants, years ago..."

there, i fixed it for you.

Fat_Farang

@janetlogan Seems we all might need each other. Crucial Communism Teaching Act, passed almost unanimously in the US House, will make it mandatory for schools to teach the “evils” of communism and the “glory” of capitalism. Next will be loyalty oaths and chucking comrades in jail.

LukefromDC

@MrPerfect72 @janetlogan Actually, since that was not consensual for the frogs, this is a forced transition imposed on frogs, essentially equivalent to the forced detransition Trump, Vance, DeSantis, Abbot, Paxton and the rest of the "Christian State" pack are trying to impose on the entire US trans population

LukefromDC

@janetlogan To give another idea about how bad things are getting in US culture, some pro-Trump asshole who no doubt worships Pinochet posted

"first they came for the communists and I did not speak out-because I was refueling the helicopters."

We had problems with Pinochet lovers last time around but I fear this time will be worse

Dean F.

@janetlogan As one who has been friendly with the trans community for 41 of my 58 years, I've boosted your fine post.

JW Prince of CPH, Radicalized

@janetlogan I also spoke out because it's the right thing to do, even if They™️ wouldn't come for me later - which they will, but we don't have to find a reason why it affects us personally to seek justice for other people. Empathy will do just fine.

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