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Alina Leonova

@stefan Oh, that’s much lower than I expected 😔 Yeah, I think those who don’t do it might just not vote. I’ve seen that some people get annoyed when asked to add alt-text and even when others do it for them in the comments (which is such an asshole response!), so they’re probably annoyed by the poll as well 😁

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Stefan Bohacek

@AlinaLeonova Yeah, I saw the recent conversation around the topic of asking people to provide alt text on their images (not a fan!) and writing alt text for them (much better approach!).

Interestingly, and again, this is a self-reported poll, so take it with a grain of salt, but it seems that most people don't mind this.

stefanbohacek.online/@stefan/1

If you're interested, I just put some more relevant polls here: stefanbohacek.com/blog/polls-a

@AlinaLeonova Yeah, I saw the recent conversation around the topic of asking people to provide alt text on their images (not a fan!) and writing alt text for them (much better approach!).

Interestingly, and again, this is a self-reported poll, so take it with a grain of salt, but it seems that most people don't mind this.

Alina Leonova

@stefan Block the person? Wow, I didn’t expect anyone to do it. Just 1% but still 🤦🏻‍♀️ And I’ve seen people insult those who add alt-text for them in the comments (there was a thread about it recently from an art account, I’ll try to find it), which is just… I don’t even know what to say about those people.

Stefan Bohacek

@AlinaLeonova Yes, saw this, thank you!

And yeah, I've read about people getting blocked without being rude or snarky when providing alt text, I think some people just get too defensive about this, see it as a judgement no matter how you phrase your reply.

And genuinely I don't know what the best solution is here.

In the article I shared in my original post, it's clear that the interface and available tools can make a big difference.

How to change the culture though? I'm not so sure!

Alina Leonova

@stefan How to change the culture is the most important question! Tools are definitely important. Posts from blind users who say how alt-text impacts their experience have made a big impression on me, though admittedly I was already using alt-text. Conversations about it, education. It’s already much better here in the Fediverse than anywhere else, but we still have a long way to go.

Stefan Bohacek replied to Alina

@AlinaLeonova Definitely! This is the main motivation behind @alttexthalloffame, education, and inspiration.

Laberpferd

@stefan @AlinaLeonova
I am strongly on the opinion that "alt text" itself is the wrong solution

What i mean is, i would be strongly prefer if the standard would be to have much more "normal" text here like 1k or more bytes, and then this one text just describes everything including the picture

Stefan Bohacek replied to Laberpferd

@Laberpferd Interesting idea!

Personally I prefer the image description to be "with" the image, but I'd love to hear from folks who actually use screen readers, if this makes a difference to them.

Also, interestingly, there is a way to embed the description in the image file itself, which would be great for sharing the same image via different channels, it's just not very widely used.

community.adobe.com/t5/illustr

@AlinaLeonova

@Laberpferd Interesting idea!

Personally I prefer the image description to be "with" the image, but I'd love to hear from folks who actually use screen readers, if this makes a difference to them.

Also, interestingly, there is a way to embed the description in the image file itself, which would be great for sharing the same image via different channels, it's just not very widely used.

David O'Brien replied to Stefan

The problem with this approach is the same image may mean different things in different contexts.

Exif data could possibly provide some sort of “default” or fallback alternative text but it still needs human curation.

You may find this helpful. I hope you do.

#a11y

design.scotentblog.co.uk/provi

@stefan @Laberpferd @AlinaLeonova

Rusty Bertrand

@AlinaLeonova @stefan
Block the disabled. That'll teach us to see better.

I can't even get autocorrect to work.

U.Lancier

@AlinaLeonova @stefan I don't consider it bad but helpful if someone adds an Alt text as a comment. And usually I see them later added to the picture, with thanks even. It might be just my bubble, but prefer to think the fedi people are generally that nice and caring.

Rusty Bertrand

@AlinaLeonova @stefan
Or they are disabled and can't do it all the time. Some of us are olny half blind.

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