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Emma (IPG)

from alex (dremenec.com):

Generally we think of alt-text as the domain of those with accessibility needs.

However alt-text is useful for many reasons, which benefit your viewers, as well as you, the creator!

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Zuthal

@ipg also: when someone posts a picture of a celebrity or politician and you would recognise the name but you are bad at recognising people visually

Ash_Crow

@zuthal @ipg that's still an accessibility issue, but the problem is prosopagnosia instead of low vision.

GoodNewsGreyShoes🔞

@Ash_Crow @zuthal @ipg Is "bad at remembering names" a disability? 🤔

Genuine question; I understand prosopagnosia (i.e. 'face-blindness') is a disorder that makes it difficult/impossible to recognize faces & is definitely a disability.

But is there likewise a specific "inability to retain &/or recall names" disorder?

Xenotime (formerly Residual Entropy)

@ipg I can definitely vouch for the slow internet case lol

Pixelcode 🇺🇦

@re @ipg Absolutely! Mastodon is often very slow at loading images, especially when they're from remote servers and haven't been cached yet, so having a glance at the alt text is very helpful for deciding on whether waiting for the image to load is worth it.

CaliCarol

@ipg Yes! I asked a question of a poster about their image and they said it was in the alt text and honestly that was how I figured out about alt texts many uses!

And hey #alttext folks. Here's another accessibility hack: your hashtags should use "camel back" lettering. #AltText not #alttext . This is for folks who utilize certain listening aids: without the clear word separation of a capital letter the readers can completely garble the meaning.

#Mastodon #AltText

:gaysperenby: Cello_not_violin :neocat_flag_nb:

@ipg@wetdry.world also for nature photographers to post the species’ names so i don’t need to describe what they look like to google- rarely worked for plants ​:floofTired:​

sabik

@ipg @alshra
Another way alt text can be useful is identifying people, e.g. government ministers — which minister, which country / state

Lukadjo

@ipg A lot of accessibility accomodations, from ramps to alt text, help far more more people than you might think on first thought

Siobhán Sarelle

@ipg I think in some places, Alt Text works for filtering as well

Jupiter Rowland
@Siobhán Sarelle Yes, for example, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte integrate images along with their alt-texts into the posts. Thus, both filters and automatic generation of reader-side content warnings should be triggered by what's in the alt-texts.

CC: @Emma (IPG)

#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte
@Siobhán Sarelle Yes, for example, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte integrate images along with their alt-texts into the posts. Thus, both filters and automatic generation of reader-side content warnings should be triggered by what's in the alt-texts.
fops (plushie arc) (Chaotic Stupid)

@ipg and on the websites in general if the picture as in the file disappears or fails to load, the alt text is shown instead next to that "broken picture" icon

Jupiter Rowland
@Emma (IPG) The readability aspect is interesting. It directly contradicts those who say that if text is illegible in the image, it doesn't have to or even mustn't be transcribed. And I myself go as far as transcribing text that's so tiny that it's invisible.

But: Information that is not available in the image and not in the actual post either must never go into the alt-text!

Not everyone can access alt-text. Not everyone is on a phone. Not all possible frontends support alt-text. And some people are phyiscally incapable of accessing alt-text, for example, because they can't use a pointing device such as a mouse or a trackball.

If information is only available in the alt-text and nowhere else, it is completely inaccessible and therefore lost to a whole lot of people.

Thus, explanations must always go somewhere where they can access them, ideally into the post.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #A11y #Accessibility
@Emma (IPG) The readability aspect is interesting. It directly contradicts those who say that if text is illegible in the image, it doesn't have to or even mustn't be transcribed. And I myself go as far as transcribing text that's so tiny that it's invisible.
🌸✨Queen Elodie✨🌸🌈🌱🍋[Moss Finder]

@ipg@wetdry.world I don't get why it's so hard for people to understand this ​:puniko_angry2:​

Ember 🏳️‍⚧️ [@38C3]

@ipg@wetdry.world okay but where is the dog with the banana on its head? i want to see the dog... ​:neocat_bottom:​

Justin Time

@ipg since I am very bad to describe the images, is the bot that describe the image in the first comment, a useful workaround? Or do I have to copy the bot generated text in my image?

🚲

@ipg those are accessibility needs tho. accessible means, well, being able to access, not just euphemism for disability

Sue Briccay :verifiedace:

@ipg

All those things.
Plus it can be a great vehicle for mischief and subversion.

Dave Rahardja (he/him)

@ipg You can also put humorous or snide commentary in there like an Easter egg. In addition to an actual description, of course.

papush!
@ipg also on fedi at least, if you look at a post from an instance that since went down you're likely only going to get the alt text
Robin

@ipg plus having a copy-able version of text in an image!

Gegenwind :antifa:🇺🇳🖖

@ipg dont forget: for ready tagged AI trainings data! 🦾🤖

JimmyChezPants

@ipg

I greatly appreciate this content. But your alt-text needs the heading ("why use alt text") added, which, let's not lie to ourselves, is very funny. :>

rail :neofox_flag_nb:

@ipg content findability but also ability to filter

RussianDeepStateSock

@ipg don't forget efficient AI ingestion! That's certainly in the list.

Gold gab ich für Eisen

@ipg "Translation. Alt text can be translated" - in the web interface of mastodon, I see no way to translate an image alt text (contrary to the normal text of the post) - actually, even the possibility to see it if the image can be loaded appeared on my server only days ago...

Big Pawed Bear

@ipg also AI can help with alt text, show it the photo and it'll have a go. check the AI response for holusinations etc, then post the AI output as the alt text.

Howard Chu @ Symas

@ipg seems like alt text is only viewable on desktop browsers. Haven't seen how to view it on phone browsers.

Michael Kohne

@hyc @ipg Firefox on android, on mastodon.social, I can view it by tapping on the 'Alt' tag on the lower right of the image.

Howard Chu @ Symas

@mhkohne @ipg oh, nice. Just tried it. I'd swear it didn't do anything the last time I tried that.

Umberto Ecco

@ipg @nkizz funny enough this image didn’t load on my instance but I understood it from the alt text!

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