Gregory's ServerALL standards should be available online free of charge.
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@uint8_t I was pretty shocked the first time I heard of the idea of following a standard that isn’t freely available. (It was ISO19115, a standard for geospatial metadata. No surprises that it has terrible tooling)  @uint8_t@chaos.social How is anycreature supposed to follow the thing if they can't read the text of it? If it's not published, it's not a /standard./ @uint8_t https://archive.org/details/exploringinterne00mala/mode/2up ... I also bought a paper copy, because Carl still needs to eat.  @uint8_t But it takes 15 to 30 days to process a request. And among those documents that are already published, I did not yet find anything useful or interesting. @uint8_t But the page it links to... it does not explicitly say that it applies to standards documents. It looks more like an official, european version of @fragdenstaat or something similar. I can't even find EN 71-5:2015, the toy safety standard that lead to the court ruling in the first place. @lenaschimmel @uint8_t @fragdenstaat It is only a limited set of standards. Nice, but not what we are asking for.  @lennybacon @lenaschimmel @uint8_t @fragdenstaat well if yiu cannot find it, request it. Yeah but maybe the #FOI page is also used for the #EN norm acesss, aka all documents… @lennybacon @lenaschimmel @uint8_t @fragdenstaat Tried requesting something… it is a pain, the login was impossible as somehow they require a 2FA now, but you cannot add a #WebAuthn key (though there is something for "security key", but it does not work). Also needed to reset my password aaand… […] @lennybacon @lenaschimmel @uint8_t @fragdenstaat finally tried via #eID which creates a new account (though the text sometimes states different implying you can link it to your existing account) leading to another login failure if you're logged in with your "old" account. @lennybacon @lenaschimmel @uint8_t @fragdenstaat  @lenaschimmel would you mind summarizing or quoting relevant replies in thread? replies don't always federate  @lenaschimmel @uint8_t what the fuck why does ISO still ask for payment to get standards on their website then pffft  @uint8_t you can hardly claim it's a standard and then keep it secret, and charging thousands of pounds to read it is pretty close to that.  @uint8_t agreed. This is one reason the Gov UK open Standards Principles https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/open-standards-principles/open-standards-principles states open standards must be "publicly available and free to use".  *Especially* ISO 8601. There are just too many incompatible half-arsed partial implementations written by people who haven't read the standard because they couldn't be arsed to try to drive their employer's purchase order system which they've otherwise never had any need to touch ...  If not freely and easily (== online) available it is NOT a standard. It's just pretending to be one   @uint8_t For me a standard is by very definition something you want to publish out freely so it gets broad adoption, otherwise it's a waste of money.
So I kind of consider the ones which aren't open-access to be mere internal/private specifications, like the kind of stuff from a customer.    |
@uint8_t What are the incentives?