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Moz

@paddyduke I just bought a new phone now that 3G is really definitely being turned off. So I've had the "new android phone experience" and I am still grumpy.

The quantity of pre-installed crapware is astonishing. From google, from "sponsored content" and from the phone excretor

Emails telling me I've subscribed to shit I never wanted in the first place.

Google Wallet. Google TV. Google Auto. None of those. But they can't be removed or disabled

Will buy another Fairphone just because of this.

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econads

@moz
How about trying to install lineage or another os? Not that I would discourage anyone from buying a fairphone.

@paddyduke

Moz

@econads @paddyduke Sadly I need an android phone for work but now that I have a cheap generic one I'm starting to think that as a second phone and have a proper one to use for everything else. Annoyingly I could have grabbed something from the pile at work if I'd thought of it.

Current phone won't run lineage, but many compatible phones are cheaper than a FP4 (which will also run lineage...). I'm going to stew for a bit longer but I'm leaning towards not-Android right now

econads

@moz
Yeah had lineage on mine for years now! I think they were actually selling with lineage preinstalled as an option at one point?

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Moz

@econads @paddyduke I think they still do, I recall reading about it on the FP forums.

Thinking, the real hassle is the NSW driver license app, the my.gov.au authentication app etc that all require recent iOS or Android. I bought the FP3 to run the covid apps because my then 7-ish year old phone wouldn't. Not having those was very painful.

Shit, need to unregister the auth app before I factory reset my FP3 and sell it.

econads

@moz @paddyduke
Yeah my bf had a similar issue with his banking app. There was some way to get around it, but I think he also ended up going back to android.

Do they not have hardcopy licences any more?

Moz

@econads @paddyduke there's hardcopy licenses, and web banking, but the my.gov stuff *really* want an auth app (and the covid tracing app was a dumpster fire).

I'm kinda thinking I'll keep the new moto phone, possibly as a backup and if it still annoys me in a couple of months buy a fairphone 4 or 5.

I'm now thinking I'll wait a month before selling the FP3 just in case there's another app on it that turns out to be crucial and needs to be unregistered.

econads

@moz @paddyduke
Or just keep the moto for auth and keep the fp as your daily driver.

Moz

@econads @paddyduke the current FP will stop working really soon when they turn 3G off here. Without the telco's choosing to support FP it can't make calls on 4G. Otherwise I'd keep the FP3 until it died.

So it's looking keep the moto and buy a new FP if the moto keep annoying me.

econads

@moz @paddyduke
FP does a recycling scheme where they give you discounts if you send them your old phone. You might get more from selling it though.

Moz replied to econads

@econads @paddyduke only to EU customers :) The cost of posting it back from outside EU is more than they offer...

But as a working phone still supported in EU it's worth more second hand.

Moz

@econads @paddyduke NSW definitely has hardcopy licenses and I prefer it, not least because it removes the temptation to hand an unlocked phone to a police officer.

(your implied right not to give NSW Police full access is very vague at the best of times, but why make it easy)

econads

@moz
There is a big fuss in the UK right now because they want to move to pure electronic visas, which will be a problem if computer says no and people can't prove their right to be in the country.
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burbilog

@moz @econads @paddyduke nowadays second phone for government/bank crapware is a must

Walter_C_Smith

@moz @paddyduke
Or get it rooted with some #Linux as alternative to #Android. But to be honest, I am hesitating to do so because it's not that easy and I'd like to have it simple, but seems the next one will have to be like that from the beginning. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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