A friend shared this thought with me, and, to be honest, I find it a little depressing.
A friend shared this thought with me, and, to be honest, I find it a little depressing. 67 comments
@Ash_Crow @gdinwiddie Nah, apparently the Bros like to ride their steeldicks into space themselves. @gdinwiddie @romeu but billionaires are nothing without their slaves - those are the interesting people. Also I find the idea that every intelligent species ends up with money a bit meh. “Teasers are usually rich kids with nothing to do. They cruise around looking for planets that haven’t made interstellar contact yet and buzz them.” “Buzz them?” [...] “Yeah,” said Ford, “they buzz them. They find some isolated spot with very few people around, then land right by some poor unsuspecting soul [...] and then strut up and down in front of him wearing silly antennas on their head and making beep beep noises.” @gdinwiddie I can fix this for you. Any species advanced enough to visit a world in another solar system will have long since abandoned capitalism. (Corollary: We need to evolve past capitalism too, lest it serve as our Great Filter.)
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_… @gdinwiddie There’s really only two things that I can imagine an extraterrestrial being would want from us: Our dirt and/or our culture. You can get pretty much all other types of resources from elsewhere in the universe. Water/Ice is all over, metals, gases, etc. Our decomp. organic matter is unique to our planet, as is our culture. So basically our culture is worth as much as dirt (to an extraterrestrial) @robin_winters @gdinwiddie There are two logical reasons aliens might be hostile. 1) they see us as a threat. We might be one breakthrough away from near light speed spaceflight, and humans would spread like a plague if we got loose. 2) they want the planet. Habitable planets are rare, terraforming doesn't work well, and the easiest way to find habitable planets is to do large scale passive SETI and wait for some idiot to broadcast his presence. @gdinwiddie that sounds like a movie I'd watch - edit: I imagine it like the movies from the late 90s / early 2000s which viewed aliens as enlightend gods who would come to save us from ourselves - but this time in reverse: we understand that we can't rely on aliens and have to help ourselves if things are supposed to get better @gdinwiddie More likely, they're just the last surviving refugees from a planet they fucked up with the unintended side effects of their technologies. @gdinwiddie @gdinwiddie of all the current actual astronauts i dont think any are billionares because its an actual job and a dificult one or carnivorous shrubs wearing hoomin skinsuits to groom your entire species into becoming fascist-controlled happy meals for hungry interplanetary travelers. 6 of one... This planet's supreme a***hole billionaire will never set foot on another planet. If you can name a bookmaker that accepts € instead of crypto-crapcoin, I'd take a gamble. @oliver_schafeld @gdinwiddie Only if the aliens are just reflections of us. Otherwise, aliens are really just that, alien. And as such, should be unknowable until we meet them. For all we know they live in a post scarcity religious theology where every action is based on an expression of devotion of their god, which happens to be their uplifted neighbors from 30,000 years ago. Note: That is still too human to be probable. @gdinwiddie No wonder they always say "take me to your leader"… they probably don't know any other form of civilization @gdinwiddie may i introduce you to ... posadism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_International_Posadist >Arguing that only communism can allow the development of interplanetary travel, they concluded that visiting aliens from other planets must live in highly advanced communist societies and are bound to help Earth-based communists with bringing about the world revolution @unspeaker @gdinwiddie I was going to comment "assuming they're governed by capitalism", but this is a whole new level I didn't expect haha @gdinwiddie Maybe the idea of billionaires or those of great wealth does not exist in advanced civilizations.That's why they are advanced because greed/money was not an artificial barrier to their progression as a species. I thought they were shoe salesmen and phone sanitizers with maybe some middle management thrown in. @gdinwiddie what if the aliens treat humans the way Europeans treated indigenous people ? we will all wish we were dead @gdinwiddie I have hope capitalism doesn't exist in other worlds and if they come they can suggest a better way @gdinwiddie @gdinwiddie Why? First contact visit is most likely to be scientists/explorers. Somewhere along the way it might be tourists or invasion force. And all of that ofc assume their society has similar structure to ours, which I find fairly unlikely. Unlikely. If another civilization has mastered FTL, then their culture has evolved past that of leftist thinking, and you've been made obsolete, elitist. Remember, you are the institutions, the businesses, the machine. You aren't the change and the future you think you are. You are the present. Furthermore, you and your movements are failing mankind, and you are driving civilization into the ground, and you're too ignorant to see it. You still haven't apologized to most of the sane world for your COVID vax, mask, and lockdown epic fail of big fascist government failure, lefty. We the majority of America will hold Nuremberg type trials where we will hold the left/Nazis accountable all around the world. Apologizing, publicly, will make the courts go easier on you. All the world knows that you pushed the vax and the masks. What you think that when you left Twitter your accounts were REALLY deleted? Nope. @gdinwiddie imagine being on another planet and making first contact with aliens only for it to be Elon Musk @gdinwiddie I'm of the opinion we're on galactic quarantine. We appear in the charts as being a "scam planet." We can be visited by aliens after we resolve our colonial issues I disagree: a society capable of interstellar travel is one that finally figured out peace and prosperity. Put it this way, suppose someone were to get their hands on a warp drive here on earth; you can bet that it would eventually fall into the hands of someone who set it off just to kill millions. We won't be able to go all Star Trek until we stop producing those kinds of people. @kingbeauregard @gdinwiddie It might also fall into the hands of people who would zoom off to conquer another solar system or many. If that is physically possible, it has probably happened before, and it was the equivalent of COVID or the plague on a cosmic scale. There is no defense against a relativistic projectile. You don't see it coming in time to do anything. If aliens in UFOs really are watching earth, with special attention to the military tech, that's probably why. @gdinwiddie @alyx alternative idea about aliens that looks even more probable for me https://m.youtube.com/shorts/iJeMyI25VIQ
@gdinwiddie @gdinwiddie wait till you realize this possibility is probably one of the best. We went to the moon to put military bases up there.
@gdinwiddie that is hilarious. Never thought about it but now I think it's probably correct. @gdinwiddie I think it's Douglas Adams who has them as (admittedly rich) kids joyriding rather than asshole billionaires. @gdinwiddie Yeah, no. You don't survive to the interstellar phase if you still are primitive enough to exchange value tokens. @gdinwiddie I dunno, I don't think capitalism is going to prove able to maintain a civilization long enough for it to develop interstellar travel. @gdinwiddie This is such a modern and white and western way of thinking though. Most space exploration on earth has been done by governments and has been trained specialists instead of billionaires. And it's clearly best done as a collective endeavor, not by billionaires. I wouldn't expect our society's recent dysfunctions to be so universal I'd expect them from aliens! |
@gdinwiddie There's a novel for that: Charles Stross's Singularity Sky.