 w.r.t the Social Web Foundation, I'm glad we have some formal organization to help steward the protocol See, it's easy to get caught up on Meta's participation while forgetting the impact just a few people made on the social network landscape Meta approached the fediverse in the proper way They didn't acquire Mastodon Instead they worked with fedi projects big and small regarding interop Meta isn't the enemy, fragmentation and lack of safety tools are We can, and are, building the future ❤️ 21 comments
 @dansup are we talking about the same Meta who manages Instagram, to which I *daily report: harassment, doxing, offences, violent posts, unsafe food challenges etc... and which regularly reply with "We didn't remove the post you reported because it doesn't violate our rules". Are we really talking about the same company? They can definitely do better, yes. I don't care if they join Activity Pub, but let's not take them as a moderation example, please. @andreagrandi Do you think it's fair to compare a platform with billions of users to the fediverse with less than 20 million? I'm sure any fediverse platform would run into several issues at that level of scale, but guess what, Instagram isn't federated, Threads is. But back to the topic, I have yet to see Meta/Threads handle a fediverse moderation issue improperly, if you have, please send it my way. No point in discussing non-fedi entities, like DNS, should .com be cancelled due to its biz? @dansup I'm not comparing "apples" with "trees", I'm just saying that I do not trust nor like how Meta handle moderation. I'm not even talking about proactive moderation (catching certain content before I see it) but the fact that even when you point them to something specific, they state that episodes of food challenges or clear doxing and offences do not violate their policy. I've seen fediverse instances with almost zero resources to handle this content correctly. @dansup if Meta is "too big" to handle moderation, maybe they should rethink the whole thing. About your last point, I genuinely do not understand it (I may be missing some context or knowledge). Happy to answer if you can elaborate it a bit more. Thanks @andrewt @andreagrandi That's a great point, and when it comes down to it, the progress I can make is to write better safety and moderation tools into Pixelfed and gather feedback from the community on how to improve them. I can't do anything about accounts on Threads or other platforms, but what I can do is give our users better safety guards and tools to improve their experience  @dansup @andreagrandi Yeah, I think that's all we can do really. Nobody can *stop* Meta or X implementing ActivityPub, that's kind of one of its strengths. We just have to be clear with ourselves about what we're building and how, and make sure we do it responsibly. (I've not been following your projects all that closely so I'm just going to assume you're doing that.) @dansup @andrewt and I think you (Dan) are doing a lot on this subject. If people at Meta had even 1/10 of your concerns and care, even their platform would be much better. To be clear, I'm not against federation with them, but I strongly think they have a lot to learn from the fediverse about moderation, not the other way around.  @dansup ActivityPub is - like SMTP - a protocol, I agree. But as we can see with SMTP, Tech Giants like to shape or enhance these protocols to their liking, and not for the best of the (common) users but their best. So I would stay vigilant and would like to make sure that all add-ons or enhancements have to be public and useful for _all_ participants, not only the centalized giant ones. @dansup I mean... They literally facilitated horrifying genocide in Myanmar because it gave them a dominant position in a developing market 😅 their money and resources are valuable to to the fediverse, but I have more trust that tomorrow the sun will be green than I do that meta will put people over profits. If they see a way to exploit this space, they will, and to be perfectly blunt they may have already found one, and are just working their way there.  @dansup Most here, are here to be away from Facebook.   > I'm glad we have some formal organization to help steward the protocol isn't this in theory the w3c and socialcg? swf doesn't steward the protocol. @dansup Meta is going to kill ActivityPub the same way Google killed eMail and HTML/CSS/JS though? As in: Zero way to innovate without them also supporting it as everyone will be on their service anyways. The only way to combat that is to block their services from the beginning so they can't grow and people don't get used to being able to communicate with the Fediverse over there. https://fedipact.online/ #FediPact #BanBigTech #SurveillanceCapitalism  It is very sad to see a person like you, that I respect, willingly help to open the #Fediverse gates for the #Meta invaders. Very sad. |
Gregory's Server
ActivityPub is a protocol.
You can't police who can or cannot participate
Instead, we need to build services and tools to ensure we can provide moderation and safety tools accordingly
You might hate Meta, but you have to admit their presence here will likely lead to improvements in privacy and safety across implementations either directly or indirectly
The fediverse is for everyone, but at the same time, you don't have to expect the status quo
We can do better, so keep that feedback coming!