Gregory's Server@ryanc @LaserMistress I will also point out that greater male representation in the workforce may also be expected, considering that 80% of women older than 35 have kids and only 13-50% of women actually return to work long-term after maternity leave. Where we do see more men than women, it's unclear if it's not just straight up expected given the empirics on the matter. The meme is just bad on so many levels.
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@ryanc @LaserMistress I'm granting that it's not even close. But what I'm saying is that there's actually a logical contradiction entailed if the argument is that current companies can have equal demographic representation with current demographic distributions. Like I said, it's an incoherent position, which is why I'm critiquing it. Also, how does systemic oppression lead to women desiring to stay home and raise their children? @ryanc @LaserMistress Also curious to know if you hold this view about black people too? Seems like it's actually logically inferrable from what you typed there. Like, do you think that a world with a single homogeneous race would be better than a world with both black and asian people in it? I don't think that's a bullet you wanna bite publicly, hahaha.  @nick @LaserMistress I think racial purity is a bad thing in general, and that white people are notoriously more likely to be shits about it. Homogeny isn't a good thing either, we need more variety not less. @nick @ryanc @LaserMistress where do you see anyone making the argument that there should be an equal amount of every possible demographic? @jonoleth @ryanc @LaserMistress Then what exactly is this saying if not some sort of critique of current practices within current companies? If it's some sort of sociological commentary about demographic representation in general, then why even mention the companies? Just point to the statistics and straightforwardly object. I think it's pretty clear that this is a critique of current practices within current companies and any other interpretation is just a leap (if not insane), to be honest. @nick @ryanc @LaserMistress it's saying that companies that claim they are diverse are primarily white men and those who are not are not in positions of power. @jonoleth @ryanc @LaserMistress Wow, it's like you didn't track anything I said at all. My critique captures this as well. Given the empirics, it's not clear that any other distribution is more expected. Full stop. And if total equality in representation is the standard to which all current companies are to be held, then they're literally being asked to do something that is impossible. @nick @ryanc @LaserMistress again, where do you see anyone making the argument that "total equality in representation" is the goal? White men are not the majority demographic anywhere @jonoleth @ryanc @LaserMistress If not that, then what? I addressed this. It's not clear at all that the demographic representations here are unexpected at all, in both the total group as well as the hierarchy. So what exactly is the critique supposed to be? It's certainly phrased as though it's directed toward current companies' current practices. Any other interpretation is honestly just fucking insane. @nick @ryanc @LaserMistress it's saying that white men are overrepresented. I don't quite see where the confusion keeps coming from. @jonoleth @ryanc @LaserMistress I don't think that's a very plausible interpretation. Whether or not that's true is going to be indexed to the location, and the statement in the meme is generalized. Not specific. The location isn't declared. It's not even clear it maps on to reality if that's what it's trying to say. So far as I can tell, either it's a work of fiction in its generalizability, or it entails a contradiction. This isn't the slam dunk defense you might be thinking it is. @jonoleth @ryanc @LaserMistress Have I made some sort of error? If so, can you argue to that error? If so, what's the argument for the error? @nick @ryanc @LaserMistress you're trying to turn this into a debate by countering arguments that no one is making, and it's really weird |
@nick @LaserMistress I do believe I used the phrase "not even close", and I was clearly not talking exclusively about gender.
The issue of many women not returning to the workforce after having children is partially the result of systemic oppression.
The unequal representation starts, at least in tech, right out of college.