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jonoleth

@nick @ryanc @LaserMistress where do you see anyone making the argument that there should be an equal amount of every possible demographic?

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Nick

@jonoleth @ryanc @LaserMistress Then what exactly is this saying if not some sort of critique of current practices within current companies? If it's some sort of sociological commentary about demographic representation in general, then why even mention the companies? Just point to the statistics and straightforwardly object. I think it's pretty clear that this is a critique of current practices within current companies and any other interpretation is just a leap (if not insane), to be honest.

jonoleth

@nick @ryanc @LaserMistress it's saying that companies that claim they are diverse are primarily white men and those who are not are not in positions of power.

Nick

@jonoleth @ryanc @LaserMistress Wow, it's like you didn't track anything I said at all. My critique captures this as well. Given the empirics, it's not clear that any other distribution is more expected. Full stop. And if total equality in representation is the standard to which all current companies are to be held, then they're literally being asked to do something that is impossible.

jonoleth replied to Nick

@nick @ryanc @LaserMistress again, where do you see anyone making the argument that "total equality in representation" is the goal? White men are not the majority demographic anywhere

Nick replied to jonoleth

@jonoleth @ryanc @LaserMistress If not that, then what? I addressed this. It's not clear at all that the demographic representations here are unexpected at all, in both the total group as well as the hierarchy. So what exactly is the critique supposed to be? It's certainly phrased as though it's directed toward current companies' current practices. Any other interpretation is honestly just fucking insane.

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jonoleth replied to Nick

@nick @ryanc @LaserMistress it's saying that white men are overrepresented.

I don't quite see where the confusion keeps coming from.

Nick replied to jonoleth

@jonoleth @ryanc @LaserMistress I don't think that's a very plausible interpretation. Whether or not that's true is going to be indexed to the location, and the statement in the meme is generalized. Not specific. The location isn't declared. It's not even clear it maps on to reality if that's what it's trying to say. So far as I can tell, either it's a work of fiction in its generalizability, or it entails a contradiction. This isn't the slam dunk defense you might be thinking it is.

Nick replied to Nick

@jonoleth @ryanc @LaserMistress Like, it's not even clear that there is an overrepresentation phenomenon to any degree that is compatible with the meme. At least in the United States. Whites don't seem to be hired with any appreciably greater frequency than any other race, and are even worse off than some others. And the differences in unemployment can't account for the disparity seen in the meme (mind the Y axis scale btw). It seems like a fabrication.

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@jonoleth @ryanc @LaserMistress Like, it's not even clear that there is an overrepresentation phenomenon to any degree that is compatible with the meme. At least in the United States. Whites don't seem to be hired with any appreciably greater frequency than any other race, and are even worse off than some others. And the differences in unemployment can't account for the disparity seen in the meme (mind the Y axis scale btw). It seems like a fabrication.

Nick replied to jonoleth

@jonoleth @ryanc @LaserMistress Have I made some sort of error? If so, can you argue to that error? If so, what's the argument for the error?

jonoleth replied to Nick

@nick @ryanc @LaserMistress you're trying to turn this into a debate by countering arguments that no one is making, and it's really weird

Nick replied to jonoleth

@jonoleth You literally told me what the argument was, and I countered it. Just take the L instead of doing these weak character attacks that just make you look like you're not tracking the conversation.

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