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Esther Payne :bisexual_flag:

@thisismissem @wendyg @EC_NGI

A small amount really. Like surely like the EU could find more change down the back of the couch.

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Wendy M. Grossman

@onepict @thisismissem @EC_NGI Compared to what we got out of it collectively, that's incredibly cheap.

Esther Payne :bisexual_flag:

@wendyg @thisismissem Like so many of us are really cheap.

But the work that @NGIZero supports is amazing, so many projects. Lot of us still in an early stage. But through it folks like me and MissEm get a bit of funding.

onepict.com/20231103-5years.ht

Evilham :antifa:

@onepict @wendyg @thisismissem @NGIZero

"So many of us are really cheap" made me lol so badly.

Because, yes. Compared to the amount of tax money we give out to MS and AMZ, we are incredibly effective with little money.

Esther Payne :bisexual_flag:

@evilham @wendyg @thisismissem @NGIZero We're spread out across Europe, not all of us live in big cities.

Some of us work in remote areas, online.

At a time when the EU was pondering how to stop the depopulation of areas due to brain drain, what we do seems like it could be a part of the solution.

Not as attractive as big 🦄 or 🦓.

Wendy M. Grossman replied to Esther Payne :bisexual_flag:

@onepict @evilham @thisismissem @NGIZero When I said "we" I meant everyone - the economy built on FOSS benefits all of society. Cheap even at a bigger price!

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@evilham

I hate that things work this way, but a big epiphany I had when dealing even a little bit with budgetary bureaucracy is that you absolutely can scupper efforts by asking for too little.

@onepict @wendyg @thisismissem @NGIZero

Esther Payne :bisexual_flag:

@rriemann @wendyg @thisismissem @EC_NGI I think that's what @NGICommons is meant to be for?

I don't know if anyone has measured it.

ansuz / ऐरन

@onepict @rriemann @wendyg @thisismissem @EC_NGI @NGICommons

This study has been pretty widely cited:

hbswk.hbs.edu/item/open-source

tl;dr all of FOSS is "worth" 8.8 Trillion

It doesn't quite answer the question but the methodology mght be useful.

ansuz / ऐरन replied to Esther Payne :bisexual_flag:

@onepict @rriemann @wendyg @thisismissem

particularly when you look at the numbers for the 2025 budget and see that more money will go into "AI-genAI / Data / Robotics" than went into the entire lifetime of NGI, with none of the open-source requirements that NLnet mandates.

My article on the topic has a table with the summed up values and percentages per-category:

cryptography.dog/blog/concerni

Esther Payne :bisexual_flag: replied to ansuz / ऐरन

@ansuz @rriemann @wendyg @thisismissem nice article. You've been very through.

My other concern with EU funding is the centralisation of that. I've looked at getonepass.eu. It's awful to use.

Some cascade funding is on there, but so far the open calls are not relevant.

It's so not geared towards the grassroots funds. I much prefer NLNets process.

ansuz / ऐरन replied to Esther Payne :bisexual_flag:

@onepict thanks! maybe too thorough 😅

I suppose we'll have to wait and see if any of the time that went into writing it makes a difference. I'm hopeful but not holding my breath

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