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dansup

People over profits is the real magic of fedi

We're building the future ✨

No shareholders. Just people.

Yeah, we'll probably see monetization and corporate interests join the fedi, and that's okay because the power of the protocol lies in choice

And the best fediverse platforms are open source and mostly good stewards of AP interop

Y'all made this happen, us devs can only take so much credit ❤️

#fediverse

11 September at 11:11 | Open on mastodon.social
14 comments
Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸

@dansup As long as the kind if monetization ain't morally apprehensible it's actually kind of a good thing. Running instances is hella pricy at some point after all.

I just fear the time when big companies start to aggressively join incl. their whole marketing lying schemes and exploitative behaviour…

11 September at 11:20 | Open on chaos.social
dansup

@Natanox I agree, I think its a good thing for users to be able to support their admins financially, and I am looking into that for Pixelfed.

It may require some paperwork, and stuff, but if I could make it easy for admins to get a portion of in-app purchases and facilitate direct donations to admins, I think that would help with the burden of costs associated with running an instance!

11 September at 11:23 | Open on mastodon.social
Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸

@dansup I recently read about the idea of "patron posts", i.e. giving people the option to set their profile up so people with invested interest in your work/art can subscribe to individual accounts.
This would both attract artists and entertainers (won't use "content creator", imho it's a derogative term), but could also finance the very instance they use if there's f.e. a 1% cut on every transaction.

Would be hell of an implementation nightmare to properly work with the "change instance"

@dansup I recently read about the idea of "patron posts", i.e. giving people the option to set their profile up so people with invested interest in your work/art can subscribe to individual accounts.
This would both attract artists and entertainers (won't use "content creator", imho it's a derogative term), but could also finance the very instance they use if there's f.e. a 1% cut on every transaction.

11 September at 11:45 | Open on chaos.social
Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸

@dansup feature and there'd be a lot of questions to answer (3rd party client / instance compatibility, patron post feature set etc). It'd be one hell of an argument for many, MANY people to join the fedi though, including those we only see on platforms like Youtube).

11 September at 11:45 | Open on chaos.social
Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸

@dansup Given you develop both Pixelfed and Loops this might be an interesting direction. :) Definitely keep an eye and ear open in the #Owncast and #Peertube community whatever you do though regarding the topic, there's vested interest by many to enable indies living off of their work there too! And perhaps the fine people at @librecast can help with content delivery in terms of network design in the near future too!

( tl;dr please kickstart a movement lol :thisisfine: )

11 September at 11:45 | Open on chaos.social
axel.

@dansup of course, monetization will (and probably should) happen. For me, it is important that it not the platform itself is the rent extractor.

11 September at 11:22 | Open on norden.social
Nicole Parsons

@dansup

Threads & Bluesky hope to subsume the fediverse so exercise caution with "big, pushy neighbors trying to take over your front yard", as the saying goes.

11 September at 12:34 | Open on mstdn.social
DrYak

@Npars01 risk is probably that this evoles as e-mail has. Officially has always been a bunch of open protocols, but nowadays it is mostly a oligopoly (with Google Mail and Microsoft Exchange/Outlook as the dominant platforms) and it is very difficult to run your own server due to all extensions "against spam and scams" (meaning that most of your mails are going to silently be filtered without even ending in the Spam folder).
I hope the Fediverse better resists such EEE.

11 September at 13:16 | Open on mstdn.science
Lazarou Monkey Terror 🚀💙🌈

@dansup try and explain this to the Oligarch Press and they just don't want to understand. Unless it's about Coin it's irrelevant to them.

11 September at 14:18 | Open on mastodon.social
devSJR :python: :rstats:

@dansup I still like the idea that FLOSS developers and FLOSS creators can make a living from their work and passion. There are ways, I guess. We at #RKWard @rkward work on software because we like to do this, just like you. Keep up the good work and the spirit!

11 September at 14:32 | Open on fosstodon.org
arejula27
Sam Sethi :pc2red: ⁂

@dansup the natural state of the web and other technologies is federated. Think DNS, Web, Mobile, Email and now social media.

Monetisation is not a dirty word because creators, developers, admins etc need to keep the servers on and the apps developing but profit maximisation above all else just for shareholders is not the goal of the fediverse.

Money is another industry that needs federation. e.g bitcoin micropayments called SATs sent P2P over the lightning network is the future.

11 September at 15:53 | Open on podcastindex.social
JoeBecomeTheSun

@dansup Remember that defederation harms decentralization and should be used as a last resort for instances that knowingly platform illegal content, have been notified about that content and do nothing about it. No moderation is perfect, but the highest priority for content moderation should be deleting illegal content and reporting it to the police, not policing naughty opinions and hurt feelings. When big tech knowingly focuses more on policing so called hate speech than protecting the millions of children that use their platforms, we all know where their priority lies. The fediverse can do better, and for the most part it is doing better. If Gab, Gettr, Truth Social, Minds, Threads and other corporate platforms want to connect, let them, let mastodon users hear what corporate fediverse users have to say, but just because you are a corporation doesn't mean you get a free pass to to be monopolize. The open protocol must remain open, but if we are to respect their rules than they must respect ours. That means that they do not get to complain about the otherwise lawful content we platform, nor do they get to complain about the fact that challenging corporate power is allowed on mastodon. Openness goes both ways and corporate platforms need to respect that, and we should respect that too.

@dansup Remember that defederation harms decentralization and should be used as a last resort for instances that knowingly platform illegal content, have been notified about that content and do nothing about it. No moderation is perfect, but the highest priority for content moderation should be deleting illegal content and reporting it to the police, not policing naughty opinions and hurt feelings. When big tech knowingly focuses more on policing so called hate speech than protecting the millions...

11 September at 17:57 | Open on social.vivaldi.net
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