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TIL that sharks (a group of fish) are an order of magnitude older than Polaris (literally a star)

Sharks: 419 - 359 million years

Polaris (α UMi Aa): 45 - 67 million years

I’ll need to sit down, stare at a wall for a bit, and process this.

58 comments
Triple

@esther But then what were using sharks to locate the North before Polaris?

mark

@triple @esther there is another north star behind it

Jay

@triple @esther Since the procession of the equinoxes takes about 26,000 years, any of the stars older than 419 million years along the procession would do.

StaringAtClouds

@esther When I was on the site that shall not be named I followed an amazingly cool lady

She removed fish hooks from sharks mouths

And the sharks let her & look for her

She's very friendly & even answered my simple minded questions

theinertia.com/surf/meet-crist

Losing contact with amazing people like that is another reason I think Emo Slunk is a twat

Josh

@staringatclouds Oh gosh that is incredible, what a lady 😲

StaringAtClouds

@krnlg Pretty sure she's not on Mastodon tho ☹️

Josh

@staringatclouds The fact she exists and has this relationship with sharks makes me feel a bit better about the world all the same!

Stoneface Vimes

@staringatclouds @esther incidentally, "emo slunk" - I just love it. I shall try and remember to use it myself, with your permission.

StaringAtClouds

@capnthommo @esther Be my guest

Anyone else wants Emo Slunk please have at it

Blazemongr

@esther That’s not the age I’m seeing. “Over 500 million years” is what Wikipedia says currently.

Esther is looking for a server

@blazemongr you're looking at one of the other two stars in that 3-star system.

Bert Koorengevel

@bascht @esther
Starfish are abt 450 million years old, so older than both sharks and Polaris.

Lutz Helm

@esther Ah, so we can finally rule out that sharks are from Polaris!

nadja

@esther honestly, sharks are so old on astronomical timescales that "things younger than sharks" includes several nebula, galaxies, stars (obviously), planets, the rings of Saturn (no, I'm not joking) and half the things on earth.

Esther is looking for a server

@dequbed I knew about the rings. it's just that stars always feel like they should be older than anything else, even though that's absolutely not the case often

nadja

@esther fair :)
Yes, stars seem like unchanging static things when really, humans are just babies in the timescales of the universe ^^

Ariaflame

@dequbed @esther With stars it depends on their size, the bigger they are, the faster they go through the life cycle and polaris is pretty big. Live fast, die young.

Jo Jitsu

@esther this woman has amazing videos and a few on Sharks. This one is great.

youtube.com/watch?v=zKBHFcnuYT

vriesk (Jan Srzednicki)

@esther But no! That's what was thought. However, this gets quite crazy based on some newer research.

TL;DR: Polaris Aa only appears young because it has canibalized another star.

scientificamerican.com/article

Jencel Panic

@esther I mean, there are probably stars that are born yesterday…

Patty Kimura

@esther Sharks are unusual and beautiful creatures who have never maimed or killed more humans than humans have maimed and killed other humans. As a child I did my best to save a wild group of young stranded hammerheads being mercilessly beaten by a group of young humans. I carried as many as I could to escape to deeper water, beautifully prehistoric creatures with skin as smooth as silk. I hope one of them haunts Trump's nightmares.

Bee

@esther wait til you hear that starfish are older than both star and fish at 450 million years, yet are neither

Andrew

@esther

Thanks for the interesting and thought-provoking observation.

The slight issue here is that we are not comparing like with like. This comparison is of an instance of a thing (Alpha Umi Aa) with a category of things (sharks).

If I was to compare the category of sharks with the category of stars, I'd correctly observe that the category of stars are far older.

Equally, an individual shark doesn't hold a handle to an individual star like Alpha Umi Aa.

David Chase

@esther Now THIS is a TIL I can sink my teeth into. No, really. It's one of the coolest TILs I've seen in a long time, thanks for sharing!

cms

@esther sharks are older than trees, which are about 350 million years old.

bkim

@cms @esther Building upon @v4169sgr's notes about comparing categories, THIS one makes my mind blow.

So a whole category of "perfect killers below water" is much older than "perfect autotrophes above earth". Even if water is older than earth, carnivores shouldn't be older than autotrophes.

cms

@bkim @esther @v4169sgr I don't properly know enough about this past the popular factoid, but I understand a popular theory is that they've been particularly resilient against multiple mass extinction events.

mimogen! 🌷

@esther *psychic damage*
i gotta ponder this for a while

Josh

@esther WTAF 🤯 Time to recalibrate my sense of time...

Paul Drye

@esther You got me wondering and I found out you can lower the comparison by almost another order of magnitude by swapping Polaris with Rigel (bright one that's lower right in Orion). Wikipedia says 7-9 million years for that star.

There's a possible ancestor of humans, Sahelanthropus, wandering the savannas of Africa in that timeframe.

alice, software-defined human

@esther it's wild to think that the universe is 13.8 billion years old and life on earth has been around for at least 3.7 billion years.

that's more than a quarter of the time the universe has existed for!! just on our silly lil planet

Kevin Russell

@esther

Somewhat related.

There are sharks alive today that harrased Henry VIII's fleet.

True

Old repetitious DNA

František Řezáč

@esther I've got this feeling when I read that shark's age represents a non-trivial portion of the whole frickin universe.

Dr. Alpenstern 🏔️💫

@esther So Polaris is a baby star. How cute is that?! 🥹

Phil Dokas

@esther @burritojustice I like this variation too:

Sharks have been around for 3% of the universe’s entire timeline

Ryek Darkener

@esther

Why? Life on Earth is about 4 billion years old. And new stars appear every second in our galaxy.

Esther is looking for a server

@RyekDarkener@mastodon.social did you seriously think I don't know that?

Or did you just want to be a smartass?

Esther is looking for a server

@RyekDarkener@mastodon.social then go talk to those. Or better yet, don't. Because this shit is obnoxious.

Ryek Darkener

@esther

Sorry. This was not my intention but I have to accept that it appeared so.

Covidiocracy

@esther
Wait, I thought “α UMi A” was Elon’s 27th kid

RealGene ☣️

@esther
So… Polaris might have Baby Sharks (🎶doo doot doo🎶)

Stéphanie

@esther@strangeobject.space I wasn't even ready for the fact that Polaris is a triple star system, and now you tell me this?
​:bocchi_explode:​

Walt Mankowski

@esther And when you’re finished with that, you can ponder that sharks are also older than trees!

Asakiyume

@esther Yowwwwza!!

I did not think living organisms could ever be older than celestial ones....

Stefan Ihringer

@esther @compfu That would make for a great time travel movie plot! „Relax, the machine is safe. It can return us by aligning to the North Star! So… where do you wanna go? Dinosaurs?“

bit101

@esther Great, now I have to worry about sharks collapsing into black holes. The ultimate predator.

Schafstelze

@esther "When i was young, we didn't have this Polaris and we did perfectly fine without it"

Danny Boling ☮️

@esther

who knew?? 😲
thanks for sharing this!

here's a screenshot of this excellent post, if anyone wants to memorialize it
(Esther, let me know if for any reason you'd like me to delete this post and I will do it immediately.)

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