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Foone🏳️‍⚧️

HOT TAKE: if you design a laptop with a power supply that looks like this, you should go to jail.

Laptops should be powered by TWO WIRES and the voltage, amperage, and polarity should be WRITTEN ON THE BOTTOM, UNDER PENALTY OF LAW

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Fi, infosec-aspected

@foone

oh wow it's been a minute since I've seen one of those. The one I had back in the day, the shroud had this weird notch in it and I was never quite sure if that was an intentional design feature

ftg

@munin @foone
Vestel made Finlux branded TV's with that connector in the 2010's. So it is definitely still encountered.
Still also sucks.

Fi, infosec-aspected

@ftg @foone

I seem to recall it being semi-common for......-some- brand of inkjet printer? that grey color feels HP to me so I'm gonna guess that, and it feels like a memory around 2005 vintage

Foone🏳️‍⚧️

my fundamental problem is that I'm passionate about changing a lot of things about the computer industry but all of them are things that would need to be changed back in 1989.

Foone🏳️‍⚧️

EPSON WHY DID YOU NEED FOUR CONNECTORS FOR A TWO CONNECTOR POWER SUPPLY?

Foone🏳️‍⚧️

well I beeped it out and either this is a different connector, or they lied and pin 1 isn't ground, only pin 3 is.

Foone🏳️‍⚧️

it has been ZERO DAYS since I have had to open up a laptop just to figure out where to shove volts in

Foone🏳️‍⚧️

I'm not an expert but I don't think the RAM is supposed to do that.

Foone🏳️‍⚧️

yeah I've not seen this kind of RAM module before. some kind of Epsom custom thing, maybe?

Foone🏳️‍⚧️

AH-HA! that was the wrong manual. They DID change the pinout!

Thankfully, it's compatible.

Foone🏳️‍⚧️

how long has it been since you've had to straighten the pins on your RAM chips?

Because for me it's "today", but I imagine for everyone else it's either "never" or "when I tried to upgrade my IBM 5150 PC" or "I had one of those computers with ZIP RAM"

Foone🏳️‍⚧️

yeah this RAM module uses a 44-pin (2mm pitch?) connector.

That's great if you want it to be possible to accidentally plug your hard drive into your RAM slot or vice versa! Normally that's not remotely possible for so many reasons.

Foone🏳️‍⚧️

I seriously can't think of any era of PC hardware where that was even remotely possible, for physical connector reasons.

You could use the same connector for both RAM and hard drives back in the early PC era with HardCards and RAM upgrade ISA cards, but that wasn't really a case of mixing up the connectors: they just both plugged in the same generic place.

Foone🏳️‍⚧️ replied to Foone🏳️‍⚧️

THE PINOUT IS FOR THE POWER CABLE

NOT THE POWER CONNECTOR ON THE LAPTOP

meaning:
1. it's mirrored
2. I may have just reverse-volted it and let the magic smoke out

Foone🏳️‍⚧️ replied to Foone🏳️‍⚧️

yeah, I borrowed someone who has... nosmia? Whatever the term for "has a sense of smell" is. It's got Magic Smoke Stank now.

Foone🏳️‍⚧️ replied to Foone🏳️‍⚧️

Pulled everything out. It's a small computer! This is everything but the keyboard, hard drive, floppy drive, and screen.

Foone🏳️‍⚧️ replied to Foone🏳️‍⚧️

apparently instead of having a "POWER GOOD" pin like ATX PSUs do, they went for the opposite, where they have a pin that tells you if the power is sus *amongus noise*

4bz replied to Foone🏳️‍⚧️

@foone I came here to ask if anywhere it specified which view that pin out was 😅

Pyxaron

@foone Considering the pin count, it'd almost make sense for it to be an early "Disk On Module".

Phil M0OFX

@foone That wasn't uncommon on early laptops, everyone had their own form factor. Toshiba had a different module for every blasted laptop model. Infuriating when you want to upgrade your Satellite or Libretto, even when they were new.

vga256

@foone it's going to be a deep, neurotic joy when you find out only 2 of those pins are actually being used

Chris Petrilli

@foone ampacity? That’s all I can think of.

mos_8502 :verified:

@petrillic @foone That would be my guess as well. Split the current over two conductors so you can get a better per-metre price on the cable.

Adriano

@foone *bangs top of power supply*

We can fit so much ground in this baby

froqstar

@foone but the high currents... couldn't use standard barrel jack because it wouldn't have been proprietary...mumble...

SnowFox

@foone I like how the connector in the drawing is basically rotationally symmetric.

(Maybe the difference is obvious on the originals, but I suspect it’s symmetric and any appearance otherwise is just due to the scan resolution.)

Kevin P. Fleming

@foone Hey someone had a time machine that went to 1988, would that work?

bEA 🔓

@foone “Sarah Connor? I'd like to talk to you about laptop power supply connector design!”

GwenTheKween :verifiedtrans: :neofox_nom_verified:

@foone sounds to me like the first order of business is a time machine, then

FantasmitaAsex :heart_ace:

@foone oh wait to see the Toshiba power connector. It's worse!

Foone🏳️‍⚧️

@FantasmitaAsex I've got like a dozen Toshiba laptops. Which one do you mean?

The Witch of Crow Briar

@foone Imagining whoever has this adapter frustratedly trying to plug it into a PS/2 port.

mos_8502 :verified:

@foone While I've repaired enough DC barrel plugs on laptops to hate them for that application (they're fine for anything that isn't moved around a lot), sound electrical practice would suggest that a male DIN connector would be the suitable one for the half of the connector that isn't powered when exposed. The C64/VIC-20 had this problem, except in the VIC-20 revision that took an AC cable directly.

Raptor :gamedev:

@foone Hot take for the hot take: I prefer this style connector (so long as they list the connector type and pinout) because they can make a more secure connection and be fully waterproof, but for some reason every manufacturer takes a standard connector from someone like amphenol and adds a single extra cut to the plug shape to make it purposefully incompatible without using a file....

Everything should have part numbers listed.

Michael Cook

@foone Looks like it would be real easy to insert that the wrong way with a bit of force.

Mark Anderson

@foone 100% yes. These are the worst. Barrel jack or USB-C please.

Rich Felker

@foone Not some USB C monstrosity where if you get unlucky your laptop decides to charge the grid? 🤡

Irenes (many)

@dalias @foone our phone tried to charge our laptop once. not fun.

Brian Campbell

@dalias @foone Hey, what if run out of power in my car 15 feet from the charger, and want to charge my car with my laptop to get it a few feet further?

(my car does not, in fact, have USB-C ports, so I can't actually do this; would be funny if you could though)

4bz

@luana @foone this has become my favorite power standard

:Plug in device:
Device: "hey power supply-chan, can I have [voltage] at [amps]?"

Power supply: " thank you for asking device-kun! That happens to be one of the standard I'm capable of. Here you go!"

Then they both uwu

I'll see myself out

4bz

@luana @foone okay I have one more

If you plug the usb-c in upside down the same thing happens but they owo instead

Jo Shields

@foone OK but what if... TWO of those, with a big Y cable, to feed 660W into your laptop?

egg

@foone What a nice PS2 connector you have there! I'm sure it's safe to attach my keyboard

Wulfy

@foone

One of my most ingenious hacks in its simplicity was to make a cunty dell laptop power plug that was using third rail as a shitty "buy my overpriced proprietary power supply" rail.

As far as I could tell, it was not drawing any current, it was just a lame "security check". Hacked with a single resistor.

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