@eli_oat My read on permacomputing is that the question it implicitly poses is something like, "How do we extricate this gadget-based hobby that is so compelling to us from its complicity in burning the world, in a way that increases what makes it compelling and pleasurable to us?" That last part is at odds with a kind of austerity or post-apocalyptic thing inflecting some of the projects, but I actually think it's a great question that more creative domains (e.g. music) should pose.