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Dr. Quadragon โŒ

@njion The server is not much better.

And the better one will be finished who knows when.

david_chisnall

@drq @njion I see Matrix has adopted everything from the XMPP ecosystem!

I was involved with XMPP 20 years ago. jabberd 2.0 was coming to replace jabberd as the reference implementation. New features were developed in jabberd 2.0, but it was missing a load of things that were in 1.x. Especially support for transports as plugins, so moving to jabberd 2.0 ended up running a separate instance of jabberd 1.x for each transport. Then, around the time jabberd 2.0 was able to actually replace jabberd 1.x, ejabberd suddenly became the reference implementation. Then a few years later something else did.

Meanwhile, there was no reference implementation of a client library, so every new protocol extension was prototyped on a different client and a different server. Google came along and just dumped an entire pile of things for file transfer, video and audio streaming (which were incompatible with the end-to-end encryption proposals) that they implemented in their clients and servers, and they controlled more than 50% of the total market so you either implemented them or gave up. Apple had their own extensions for serverless XMPP + mDNS but never published a protocol.

@drq @njion I see Matrix has adopted everything from the XMPP ecosystem!

I was involved with XMPP 20 years ago. jabberd 2.0 was coming to replace jabberd as the reference implementation. New features were developed in jabberd 2.0, but it was missing a load of things that were in 1.x. Especially support for transports as plugins, so moving to jabberd 2.0 ended up running a separate instance of jabberd 1.x for each transport. Then, around the time jabberd 2.0 was able to actually replace jabberd 1.x,...

rail :neofox_flag_nb:

@njion Cinny is okay

Still missing features

Still some annoying bugs

But it's okay

Gwendolyn

@rail_ @njion last I tried I couldnโ€™t get it to verify keys at all

Also it seems to use OpenSSL 1.1 for some reason

Wyatt (๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€โšง๏ธโ™€?)

@njion Quaternion would be excellentโ€ฆ if e2ee fully worked. But it don't.

lily

@njion@bark.lgbt the world if matrix clients wasn't utter trash

:blobcatlaptop: gravitos :blobcatcomfsip:โ€‹

@squaredot3301 yes. its made in electron. come on, when did you last see a good app made in electron?

@njion

Muelsyse ๐Ÿ› ๏ธ

@gravitos @squaredot3301 @njion tbf Element X Android uses Jetpack Compose and Element X iOS uses SwiftUI

:blobcatlaptop: gravitos :blobcatcomfsip:โ€‹

@mo ew unhidable client side decorations that just waste space on my screen since my setup moves the window controls into the status bar

@squaredot3301 @njion

Amelith

@njion I have some passing hopes for Commet, but other than that gave up on Matrix for general use.

Luna

@njion@bark.lgbt fr, and if it had proper channel features and a good useable UI like discord

Makura

@njion the world if Matrix wasn't utter trash tbh

david :_biflag:
@njion xmpp superior tbh more ppl should use it
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