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smeg

@GossiTheDog literally everything I see in every channel is scams. If you told me there was CP channels, I would believe it

NullDott

@smeg @GossiTheDog OH THERE WAS WORSE THAN THAT

I never stop hearing about Telegram groups exchanging illegal and disgusting content since I knew about the app in 2021.

Reeter

@NullTheFool @smeg @GossiTheDog
I'm not even sure what that does mean to "moderate" a private-secured messaging service.

Are we really expecting every data exchange mechanism to be spyable?

Kevin Beaumont

@reeter @NullTheFool @smeg Telegram chats aren’t encrypted, unless using the secret chat feature (which almost nobody uses). People use the group channels, which are just regular plain text.

tyx

@smeg @GossiTheDog
Let's start with a fact: you're spreading pedohysteria which is stupid and dangerous. All surveillance laws/attacks on net freedom/privacy were made under a disguise of "protecting poor children" in tyrannies and democracies alike. It so easy to catch simpletons with this bait. Second thing to consider: Telegram has obligatory phone number auth (in fact requires app to be installed ona phone to work) and requests location/network/phone access. If you were a pedo with more than 2 neural cells would you use it? No.

Telegram is a major platform for RU opposition (and state propaganda too, sure). Probably political forces in other countries use it too. RU state tried to shut it down, apparently unsuccessfully (or they came to an agreement). Still looks like a terrible precedent.
TOR, XMPP and Fedi* just will be the next.

@smeg @GossiTheDog
Let's start with a fact: you're spreading pedohysteria which is stupid and dangerous. All surveillance laws/attacks on net freedom/privacy were made under a disguise of "protecting poor children" in tyrannies and democracies alike. It so easy to catch simpletons with this bait. Second thing to consider: Telegram has obligatory phone number auth (in fact requires app to be installed ona phone to work) and requests location/network/phone access. If you were a pedo with more than...

DJGummikuh

@GossiTheDog oof I don't really like that. I'm using telegram quite extensively (the messenger part, not the groups part)

DJGummikuh

@Natanox @GossiTheDog well yeah, good luck getting my retired parents on yet another messenger, I'm actually happy I got them off WhatsApp -.-

Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸

@DJGummikuh @GossiTheDog I know the problem. Should Telegram go down the drain they'll have to swap anyway.

DJGummikuh

@Natanox @GossiTheDog just because they have to, doesn't mean they will 🤷

QuadRadical

@DJGummikuh @Natanox @GossiTheDog isn't that conflicting? If they have to, they must, its not like they can just keep using it

DJGummikuh

@QuadRadical @Natanox @GossiTheDog you have obviously not had to deal with old people before. They would just fall back on SMS or not using any text technology and start calling us in every occasion (which at least in my case they manage to almost always time perfectly with me being in meetings xD)

engineer

@DJGummikuh
Why did you do that? Telegram is worse than Whatsapp (no default E2EE, no encrypted backups)

alphy

@GossiTheDog

I wonder how the jurisdiction works, since I imagine Telegram doesn't have offices in the EU?

Also curious about what law they could be using to charge him. I imagine it's not, "law enforcement mad" 😂

Szymon Nowicki

@alphy @GossiTheDog they don’t charge Telegram.
They arrested him because he refused to cooperate in some criminal cases by not providing data he has. When prosecution asks you for data and you refuse because lol then there are laws that say it’s a crime.

It’s no war against encryption. Telegram channels are totally available for moderation. They nothing more than Facebook groups.

alphy

@hey @GossiTheDog

Ah, that makes sense. So something akin to obstruction of justice or contempt for defying a subpoena, court order, etc.

Guess we'll see how willing they are to go after someone with nearly unlimited financial resources.

Kevin

@alphy @GossiTheDog Durov is French citizen by naturalisation.

alphy

@kevinreddot @GossiTheDog

Even more surprised that he would land in France! Especially since he knew about the warrant for his arrest.

Darren du Nord

@Etic @GossiTheDog
He's been existing in a precarious place, stuck between Russia and the west. Only his billions can save him now.

Etic

@darren @GossiTheDog Billions... Or democratic people. Enough of idiotic laws. EU is a joke

waffles :gentoo:

@GossiTheDog they said they have a contingency plan for durovs arrest so they said it shouldn't impact the company operations

B.o.B.

@GossiTheDog Spicy times.

The propaganda networks are running out of places to hide. I'm picturing Bannon seething and punching his cell walls. Good shit.

Discord next pls.

Canadian Crone

@GossiTheDog France's OFMIN, an agency tasked with preventing violence against minors, had issued an arrest warrant for Durov as the coordinating agency in a preliminary investigation into alleged offences including fraud, drug trafficking, cyberbullying, organized crime and promotion of terrorism,

Luna Lactea

@GossiTheDog I'm surprised they were arrested for not complying with police stuff. Isn't Telegram supposed to be really into sharing all it can with police, even though ironically it's the worst about drug dealing scams, gore spam, & other horrible stuff?

Jérôme Meyer

@GossiTheDog I first saw a message from a DDoS botnet service on there announcing they were “temporarily suspending sales in case Telegram’s database got seized” before seeing the news of the arrest 🙃

Simon Zerafa :donor: :verified:

@GossiTheDog

Might depend on who has authority to pay outstanding bills and invoices?

If they can't do than then things might grind to a halt fairly quickly 🫤🤷‍♂️

hnapel

@GossiTheDog

"the investigation was focused on a lack of moderators on Telegram"

If I were a billionaire with a private jet, owner of a notorious social media platform and the initials E.M. I would take notice.

Ban El Al from our skies

@GossiTheDog He has dual citizenship - so being arrested by the French may be safer than being targeted by the FSB

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