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Dee Fedilore 🦦

The Furry.Engineer user at the center of this conflict.

The one who was accused of "racism and harassment" for reporting death threats against himself.

He left the instance.

And it still wasn't good enough.

Causing harm to queer communities is the only goal of Mastodon.Art.

Everything else is an excuse to justify causing that harm.

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Dee Fedilore 🦦

I get that Mastodon.Art is a big instance and defederation is hard.

But the safety of your queer users is more important.

You don't need to start a fight. You don't need to get into the "drama".

But you do need to block Mastodon.Art.

Dee Fedilore 🦦

Screenshots of Mastodon.Art admin defending the death threats available here:

mastodon.social/@fedilore/1112

Dee Fedilore 🦦

A small postscript:

Attacking furries as a form of crypto-homophobia was pioneered by 4chan and is currently popular among the Qanon-right as part of the "litter boxes in highschool bathrooms" conspiracy theories.

Furry.Engineer is a small instance of a few hundred users. Mastodon.Art is one of the largest instances we have here.

Dee Fedilore 🦦

I am only writing this thread because Curator decided to write a blog post attacking a small furry instance, weeks after this conflict ended and they had given her everything she had asked for.

While it's impossible to know what's in Curator's heart, it would be naive to ignore the pattern of furry-bashing associated with these blocklist organizations and the history of furry-bashing as a homophobic political strategy.

Dee Fedilore 🦦

Curator is very familiar with 4chan culture

The "Navy Seal" meme she referenced earlier came out of 4chan at the same time a lot of this anti-furry homophobia was at (what was then) a peak.

This is the time and place that "Yiff in hell, furfag" came from.

While I don't think Curator's experience with 4chan is necessarily disqualifying, I think it's important to understand it in the context of her clear pattern of queerphobia.

Dee Fedilore 🦦

Above I referred to Furry.LGBT, when I meant Furry.Engineer. This has been fixed in an edit.

Tech.LGBT and Furry.Engineer faced attacks from transphobic blocklists recently (including Mastodon.Art's).

Furry.LGBT faced attacks from transphobic blocklists (including Mastodon.Art's) approximately 10 months ago.

Shrig 🐌 replied to Dee Fedilore 🦦

@fedilore I didn't read this whole essay tbf, but this was a very disingenuous thread in the opening parts at the very least. In my own essay:

You've framed this as action that should be taken against .art by people that care about the safety of queer users, and gone on an attack against a Black trans person and neglected to reveal that fact (do *you* care about them?
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Shrig 🐌 replied to Shrig

@fedilore
That "death threat", that was very obviously an uncredible and exasperated plea for somebody to fuck all the way off already and stop crossing very clear boundaries and was in response to ongoing harassment they were facing by a furry.engineer user that their admin wasn't doing anything about.
2/

Shrig 🐌 replied to Shrig

@fedilore It's heartbreaking that it had to get that far and *still* didn't work, because they're *still* being harassed and mischaracterised and their own queerness erased within threads like this to push some sort of ".art iz bad because they blocked my friend omgzz" message.
What use of language and actions would have been acceptable to you in the face of racist stalking harassment? Does it even matter? Would anything at all have worked?
Or: Just leave them alone already. Jeez.
3/3

Dee Fedilore 🦦 replied to Shrig

@Shrigglepuss If you don't want people talking about this stuff, then bring it up with WelshPixie.

There hasn't been a single time in the last year that queer people started this drama

This whole thing had died down, until WelshPixie wrote a blog post slandering queer communities.

Dee Fedilore 🦦 replied to Dee Fedilore 🦦

@Shrigglepuss

Queer people, outside of a handful of big cities, cannot safely organize locally. Queer online spaces are essential to the very existence of most queer community.

To specifically target those survival communities for mass-defederation, without clear documented evidence that it's necessary, is an action with genocidal purpose and genocidal effect.

lori replied to Shrig

@Shrigglepuss @fedilore there is a difference between telling someone "fuck you I'll kill you" or "white people need to be scared" or whatever and telling them "I know you live in [town], I know people in [town] that will find you, I'm there all the time, I will make you pay offline"

One of those is getting angry and the other is making extremely specific plans to track down and attack someone. One of those is an actual serious threat. Once you start naming details and making plans and being specific about their location, you're not blowing off steam anymore. That's a credible threat. People have been sent threats like that before that bystanders brushed off as probably not anything and died. Everyone here is a stranger on the internet and if a stranger on the Internet starts posting specific plans to find me where I live and come after me, then goes on to post a bunch of little posts about wanting to shoot people, I'd take it fucking seriously too. Going "I was just joking cmon I'm just a little guy" after doesn't change that.

@Shrigglepuss @fedilore there is a difference between telling someone "fuck you I'll kill you" or "white people need to be scared" or whatever and telling them "I know you live in [town], I know people in [town] that will find you, I'm there all the time, I will make you pay offline"

One of those is getting angry and the other is making extremely specific plans to track down and attack someone. One of those is an actual serious threat. Once you start naming details and making plans and being specific...

Aurora Penguin replied to Shrig

@Shrigglepuss @fedilore it's incredible how you keep brushing a death threat under the rug like it's no big deal but if someone on furry.engineer or tech.lgbt said that, we would br screenshotted and posted in your little clique of friends and we would have been black listed weeks ago

Death threats are not ok, period. The threat posted also doesn't compare to the copypasta at all. Do we really need to go to english101 to compare the navy seals copy pasta that refers to having 300 confirmed kills to "I know where you live in <city here>, I have a contact who will get me your info and come after you offline"?

It's so incredibly irresponsible for several of your group of friends to make death threats, double and triple down, why would they risk the credibility of TBS and yourself by boosting people who are doing quite possibly illegal things? archive.ph/x5OeY

@Shrigglepuss @fedilore it's incredible how you keep brushing a death threat under the rug like it's no big deal but if someone on furry.engineer or tech.lgbt said that, we would br screenshotted and posted in your little clique of friends and we would have been black listed weeks ago

Death threats are not ok, period. The threat posted also doesn't compare to the copypasta at all. Do we really need to go to english101 to compare the navy seals copy pasta that refers to having 300 confirmed kills...

Aurora Penguin replied to Aurora

@Shrigglepuss @fedilore you also clearly don't care about "block evading", since welshpixie did that right after she kicked off tech.lgbt and posted about it, the posts are still up.

Shrig 🐌 replied to Aurora

@aurorapenguin Violence, credible or otherwise, is totally fine against bigotry imo. *Any* action against bigotry is fair game if it makes it fuck off. Not a bigot? Nothing to fear then is there 🤷

Shrig 🐌 replied to Shrig

@aurorapenguin I see their entirely fake-ass and funny as fuck response to an absolute barnacle that can't let go of harassing somebody's "300" kills, and continue the fantasy of 300 more dead racists on top. You're just going to have to get over it and spend this energy on sorting your shitty mates out instead

Ahto! replied to Shrig

@Shrigglepuss @aurorapenguin are you okay and did you read the same message?

Aurora Penguin replied to Shrig

@Shrigglepuss "anyone that criticizes me is racist and white and im justified to threaten and enact violence against them", just keep repeating that to yourselves as you cheer on banning queer instances :)

Shrig 🐌 replied to Aurora

@aurorapenguin Nah, fuck off with that 👍

deilann

@fedilore this has been noticed by me as well. i've been more alert to it after mekka claimed all trans women have a nazi phase

Dee Fedilore 🦦 replied to deilann

@deilann Yes.

Aurora Penguin replied to deilann

@deilann @fedilore he did what? O.o

deilann replied to Aurora

@aurorapenguin @fedilore mekka's original thread talked about how trans women have a Nazi phase

He did edit that specific dog whistle out after it was pointed out to him, but no others

Made it clear where a lot of info is coming from

deilann replied to deilann

@aurorapenguin @fedilore edit history is preserved - not able to get a link right now to the thread, but it's in the edit history

deilann replied to deilann

@aurorapenguin @fedilore he's actually now filtered with a warning now for me because he has enough clout I benefit from the context of knowing of his posts are being boosted but I want to be in a place to choose to access them

Dee Fedilore 🦦 replied to deilann

@deilann @aurorapenguin Original version of this post, visible in the edits.

hachyderm.io/@mekkaokereke/111

Dee Fedilore 🦦 replied to Dee Fedilore 🦦

@deilann @aurorapenguin I put less stock in the "Nazi phase" memes than the rest of that post, where he ignores how trans people (and disabled people) have always been the groups most at risk from Nazi violence and ideology.

deilann replied to Dee Fedilore 🦦

@fedilore @aurorapenguin yeah it was more a sign of where some of his info is coming from

The interaction with Gigi was the most concerning imo

Then later in another thread refusing to acknowledge the harassment I received and stating I hadn't acknowledged the harassment Ro received which is untrue

deilann replied to deilann

@fedilore @aurorapenguin sitting down so able to get that link

tech.lgbt/@deilann/11106609290

Dee Fedilore 🦦 replied to deilann

@deilann Oh fun. He compares a referee making a bad call at a game to the frequent and reckless destruction of queer survival communities.

I really just don't think he thinks discrimination against queer people is real. Our lives are not sports.

deilann replied to Dee Fedilore 🦦

@fedilore shortly after that interaction he again asserted no queer folks had received any harassment over this which was proof of the projects goodness

deilann replied to deilann

@fedilore so zero good faith remains

Dee Fedilore 🦦 replied to deilann

@deilann @aurorapenguin It's all so much more than I can keep track of.

The dude jumping into my replies with bad faith concern troll stuff is also comparing trans women to Nazis and is also management at Google and is also working to build a system to lock all his transphobia into Mastodon by default.

That is too many things.

lori replied to deilann

@deilann @aurorapenguin @fedilore He also very swiftly dismissed then blocked a black trans woman who argued with him over this, and claimed another black person arguing with him over it wasn't really black, because...they didn't have that many twitter followers in common. No joke. He figured a real black activist would follow more of the same people as him. Accused him of faking being black.

deilann replied to lori

@kobld @aurorapenguin yeah like @fedilore said too much to concisely state/keep track of

deilann replied to deilann

@kobld @aurorapenguin @fedilore and none of it is ever "enough"

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