Gregory's Server@Raccoon @jaz @jerry @jztusk @Crell Because I am not among a group that is a frequent target of abuse, I have the privilege of enjoying the benefits of being on an βopenβ instance without having to worry about the drawbacks. I will probably always prefer to be on an instance that is blocklist-based instead of allowlist-based. But many people do not have that privilege.
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 @Raccoon Yes, who decides what to put on an allowlist/blocklist and what are the criteria they use continues to be a fraught problem with no simple solution. But I was countering the claim a lot of people make that shared allowlists/blocklists in principle -- even if "perfectly curated" -- are antithetical to the Fediverse, which I think isn't true. Some people bristle at the idea of these lists not because they think they might not be perfect, but because they want a nearly 100% open Fedi. @Raccoon I think maybe part of my confusion is not fully understanding how allowlists work. Can someone on a LIMITED_FEDERATION_MODE instance be *followed by* someone on a non-allowlisted instance? For instance (heh), limited.example is in limited federation mode with only safe.example in its allowlist. Someone on unknown.example wants to follow @ user @ limited.example. Can they do this?  @jsit @Raccoon I have a test instance that I will enable limited federation on. I would love to know if there are any big instances that do this already. |
@jsit @jaz @jerry @jztusk @Crell
> "Because I am not among a group that is a frequent target of abuse, I have the privilege of enjoying the benefits of being on an βopenβ instance without having to worry about the drawbacks."
But here's the flip side of that, one of the main things that makes people a bit squeamish about this: because you're not a member of a marginalized group, you haven't been on a server that has been brigaded with false reports trying to get the mainstream to block you, and then suddenly find a bunch of other marginalized groups' servers have blocked you without checking up on those reports. This is one of the things we keep seeing between queer fedi and black fedi.
What's to stop a member of one group, bigoted towards another, from getting in here and keeping servers that should be on the list off of it?
It then becomes a question of who will bell the cat: who will take on the responsibility, and thus open themselves up to abuse, of maintaining this?
@jsit @jaz @jerry @jztusk @Crell
> "Because I am not among a group that is a frequent target of abuse, I have the privilege of enjoying the benefits of being on an βopenβ instance without having to worry about the drawbacks."
But here's the flip side of that, one of the main things that makes people a bit squeamish about this: because you're not a member of a marginalized group, you haven't been on a server that has been brigaded with false reports trying to get the mainstream to block you, and then...