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 @Raccoon Yes, who decides what to put on an allowlist/blocklist and what are the criteria they use continues to be a fraught problem with no simple solution. But I was countering the claim a lot of people make that shared allowlists/blocklists in principle -- even if "perfectly curated" -- are antithetical to the Fediverse, which I think isn't true. Some people bristle at the idea of these lists not because they think they might not be perfect, but because they want a nearly 100% open Fedi. 4 comments
@Raccoon I think maybe part of my confusion is not fully understanding how allowlists work. Can someone on a LIMITED_FEDERATION_MODE instance be *followed by* someone on a non-allowlisted instance? For instance (heh), limited.example is in limited federation mode with only safe.example in its allowlist. Someone on unknown.example wants to follow @ user @ limited.example. Can they do this?  @jsit @Raccoon I have a test instance that I will enable limited federation on. I would love to know if there are any big instances that do this already. |
Gregory's Server
@jsit
I think you're talking about people who aren't in the conversation though: everyone who would be involved in this thread maintains a substantial block list, even if we have different standards for it. No one here is going to suggest a 100% open Fedi.
Our issue is the number of new and marginalized instances that are going to find a chunk of the network cut off by this sort of thing. We want new servers to be made, and we want those servers to thrive, because new servers add new life to the network, and a very important part of both of all of that is that good posts need to be able to spread far and wide and fast.
The Content Must Flow.
How does one create a new marginalized instance in an environment where instances with great content from marginalized groups is going to be cut off from them for however long it takes to get on the list? How do we let people on these new instances know more content will come, and why would they join a server that's blocked off?
@jsit
I think you're talking about people who aren't in the conversation though: everyone who would be involved in this thread maintains a substantial block list, even if we have different standards for it. No one here is going to suggest a 100% open Fedi.
Our issue is the number of new and marginalized instances that are going to find a chunk of the network cut off by this sort of thing. We want new servers to be made, and we want those servers to thrive, because new servers add new life to the...