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Johannes Ernst

Continued bad things:

* Not even the comment trees or Likes are consistent across instances. You might think nobody commented on a post, but there might be 100 comments on that post on some other instance that simply haven't been forwarded. Not good in my view.

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Johannes Ernst

However, the Fediverse also has some really major positive features, again picking some from a long list, randomly:

* No ads! No surveillance! That's a major plus in my book compared to the commercial platforms.

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Johannes Ernst

More good things:

* The freedom to innovate! Anybody can write some code and connect it to the Fediverse, and we have already seen an incredible explosion of creativity that all the billions invested in the commercial social media are not matching.

* Many users also report that they have felt more accepted, less harassed, and more at home in the fediverse than they ever have anywhere else online. I have no reason to doubt them.

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Johannes Ernst

So ... is the Fediverse better or worse than commercial social media platforms? Well, clearly, it is better in some ways and worse in some others.

Our friends in the math department will tell us: you are trying to compare two things that cannot be compared, neither is better than the other, just like you can't compare vectors or complex numbers directly, you cannot compare systems that have more than one feature directly!

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Johannes Ernst replied to Johannes

Except, of course, we can compare and we do compare systems with many features all the time. We trade off good and bad against each other, and we can do the same thing for the Fediverse and commercial social media platforms.

The result is necessarily subjective, but I for one am perfectly willing to go through some extra hoops to understand comments on other servers, if that means I'm not commercially surveilled. Your tradeoffs may be different.

Johannes Ernst replied to Johannes

So on balance, I believe the Fediverse is better. I think most people here agree (otherwise why would you be here?). Even if some parts are bad. Maybe even realllly bad.

Do we have work to do? Ohhh yesssss ... on reducing harassment and many other things. Let's focus our energies on that, and -- note this advantage of the Fediverse: we can actually do the work we think needs doing, unlike with commercial social media where we just can complain and generally get ignored -- let's go!

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Johannes Ernst replied to Johannes

... and before somebody nitpicks, that means that for some users, and their particular experiences and tradeoffs, the fediverse is objectively worse than commercial social media. That may include some/many/... black users.

Yes of course!

iwein replied to Johannes

@J12t I'm missing the point of this thread I think. So let me clarify with a blunt question: are you intending to downplay the #racism problem, or to offer a constructive practical solution?

Ericka Simone

@J12t sir, you are being intellectually dishonest with intention. Delusional. We are literally discussing and exposing issues being had in this space and you ignored them to continue this paid advertisement. Very violent, dishonest, and why people of color continue to leave this space. There will be no confusion about this.

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@J12t I'm not convinced that mastodon.social isn't keeping any of my activity in log files that are insecure, that's just the cost of using someone else's computer.

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