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Iivana Lemmetyinen

@tomw Some of the most fervent technology hating luddites I've seen has been total nerds.

Seems like half of the folks in an anarcho-primitivist camp back in the days worked as programmers.

Like folks were tanning hides and talking about how PHP totally sucks.

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Sam Whited

@alemppu @tomw Be careful, you'll get those nerds properly riled up by using "luddite" as a slur! There's a very good analogy here that I don't think you meant, but luddites *were* technologists, they were the ones building the auto-looms, improving them, etc. it wasn't technology they were objecting to, it was the fact that unions were illegal and they were being told that their comfortable well-paid work from home jobs now had to come into a factory floor for a 10th of the pay.

Sam Whited

@alemppu @tomw TL;DR they didn't hate the technology, they hated how it was being developed in the name of "progress" with no consideration for the externalities or how it would affect actual people. Sound familiar? :)

Clutha๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ

@sam @alemppu @tomw
The best ideas for doing things better come from the shop floor. Sadly if adopted management/owners take the glory & extra income. โ€˜Twas ever thus.

Iivana Lemmetyinen

@Clutha @sam @tomw One of my friends worked at the shop floor and they found out a way to improve the process, but of course no one listened to the blue collar goofs.

So when a young engineer started in their shop they told him to propose that as his own idea. Bosses were delighted that the new kid got immediately to improve the process and guys at the machines were just happy that they finally got to do the work as it should be done.

The cost of bad management is staggering.

Iivana Lemmetyinen

@sam @tomw Umm... I'm a total nerd and an out and proud luddite myself.

And yes, the exact point is who controls the development of technics and tools and what is their effect to peoples and communities.

Sam Whited

@alemppu @tomw my apologies then; let us convene the tribunal and smash some AI's and shit!

Thomas Sobieck ๐Ÿ˜

@sam @alemppu @tomw I was about to get riled up about this. Margaret Killjoy did an excellent episode on the Luddites on Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff

pca.st/episode/f2706d25-f0fe-4

Sam Whited

@Sobieck @alemppu @tomw oooh, thanks for the recommendation, I'll give it a listen!

Unattributed ๐Ÿ‘ค โ˜‘

@alemppu @tomw This comment is just so funny -- and hit me really hard... I've gotten heavily into leather boots over the past couple of years (down to understanding the differences in leather tanning processes), while considering which programming language I should learn (since I've been out of it for so long).

Jonathan Lamothe
@alemppu @tomw Some people dislike technology because they don't understand it. I dislike it because I do.
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