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Tom Bellin :picardfacepalm:

@brouhaha @uncanny_kate presumably because part of the longer time scale is ample amounts of free time.

4 July at 17:38 | Wall-to-wall | Open on hachyderm.io
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Ben Hearsum

@tob @brouhaha @uncanny_kate I don't see how that makes it any cheaper unless people are earning 1/4 as much?

14 July at 13:57 | Open on fosstodon.org
Tom Bellin :picardfacepalm:

@bhearsum @brouhaha @uncanny_kate it doesn't make it cheaper. It makes space for devs to be human beings.

14 July at 14:03 | Open on hachyderm.io
Amgine

@tob @bhearsum @brouhaha @uncanny_kate

4x the price, Kate said.

It still ends up being cheaper in the long run. One exploit which is the fault of the producer spawns X lawsuits…

14 July at 15:22 | Open on mstdn.ca
Ben Hearsum

@amgine @tob @brouhaha @uncanny_kate Did I misunderstand? The original post says "same price", but maybe some nuance was lost on me.

14 July at 15:31 | Open on fosstodon.org
Kate Kirby

@bhearsum @amgine @tob @brouhaha Sorry, that was unclear, I meant the same salary for the developer by 'same price', not the same cost to the company.

14 July at 15:39 | Open on dice.camp
Amgine

@uncanny_kate @bhearsum @tob @brouhaha

Same wage, 4x the time, 4x price to company, x unknown level of keystone to the purchaser.

The problem, as @DocBohn points out, is time frame. The target market may have a focus on quality, and if quality is objectively measurable will pay relative to their risk. The target market may have a focus on budget, in which case they will pay 50-90% the price of the objectively measured 'best quality', despite the liability being far greater.

14 July at 15:50 | Open on mstdn.ca
Ben Hearsum

@uncanny_kate @amgine @tob @brouhaha ah, I see! Thanks for the clarification 🙏🙏. I wholeheartedly agree!

14 July at 16:04 | Open on fosstodon.org
Chris Bohn

@amgine @tob @bhearsum @brouhaha @uncanny_kate The problem (as we all know) is that the incentive is to make decision with a short-run focus because the long-run cost is someone else's problem.

A non-development example. A couple of decades ago, our main facility was renovated. My organization entered an 8-year lease on part of an old Kodak facility; other organizations would rotate in & out of our space in the main facility as their sections were renovated.

Our boss picked the corner for his office because of the river view on one side and the lush green space on the other. Deputy boss pointed out that the plan is to put in a parking lot where the green space is in a couple of years. "Yes, but I'm retiring in 18 months."

@amgine @tob @bhearsum @brouhaha @uncanny_kate The problem (as we all know) is that the incentive is to make decision with a short-run focus because the long-run cost is someone else's problem.

A non-development example. A couple of decades ago, our main facility was renovated. My organization entered an 8-year lease on part of an old Kodak facility; other organizations would rotate in & out of our space in the main facility as their sections were renovated.

14 July at 15:40 | Open on techhub.social
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