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Your attention please:

Maybe you've never heard about it but since 2020, the Next Generation Internet programs, a sub-branch of the European Commission’s Horizon Europe program, have been cascading funding (via @nlnet calls) open source software in Europe. The massive fundings have enabled a great deal of free software development in recent years, and all without too many constraints (with too few transparency and monitoring, though… which urgently needs to be improved). Unfortunately, these NGI programs seem to have been withdrawn from the next round of Horizon Europe fundings to give priority to AI bullshit.

As a result, we’ve been invited to contact the National Contact Points, Horizon Europe’s national representatives, to express our concern and the importance of maintaining public funding for free software. With this in mind, we wrote an open letter at Petites Singularités and thought it would make sense to fork it out with Hackstub and ARN in Strasbourg for the French NCP to get other French-speaking free software orgas to sign. I’m thinking in particular of the software that has benefited from this funding, such as Yunohost, but also of the Kittens that use this same software.

We can also announce that this topic will be part of the central theme of the next #OFFDEM in Brussels, on the first weekend of February 2025. There's not yet an exact title, but we’ll be discussing financing and community structuring for free software over the next few years.

If you want to sign the french-speaking version of this letter, there's a pad for it: pad.public.cat/lettre-NCP-NGI

#ngi #publicMoneyPublicCode #floss

37 comments
maxlath

@hackstub @NGIZero @EC_NGI @ps @aprilorg @ffdn @ChatonsOrg @arn_fai @NGI_Taler @aral @becha @natacha @nas @SolInfoNat@syndicat.solidaires.org @LaQuadrature If you are in touch with the people who are making that arbitrage, they might be interested to read what Goldman Sachs latest report has to say about AI actual economic opportunities wheresyoured.at/pop-culture/
#AIbubble

Hackstub

Votre attention SVP:

Peut-être que ça vous a échappé mais depuis 2020, les programmes Next Generation Internet, sous-branche du programme Horizon Europe de la Commission Européenne, financent en cascade le logiciel libre en Europe (via les appels de @nlnet). C’est un financement massif qui a permis de nombreux développement de logiciels libres ces dernières années et le tout sans trop de contraintes (avec trop peu de transparence et de suivi par ailleurs… ce qui est vraiment relou en soi mais qui doit être amélioré). Malheureusement ce programme semble être retiré des prochains financements prévus par Horizon Europe à la faveur de l’“IA”.

Du coup on est invité à contacter les National Contact Points, représentants nationaux de Horizon Europe, pour leur faire part de notre mécontentement et de l’importance de maintenir des financements publics pour le logiciel libre. Dans cette optique, on a écrit une lettre ouverte au sein des Petites Singularités et on se disait que ça ferait sens de la forker avec Hackstub et ARN pour le NCP français faire signer par d’autres orgas du logiciel libre francophone. Je pense notamment aux logiciels qui ont bénéficié de ces financements comme Yunohost, mais aussi aux Chatons qui utilisent ces mêmes logiciels.

Par ailleurs, je peux d’ores et déjà vous annoncer que ce sujet fera partie du thème central de la prochaine édition du #OFFDEM à Bruxelles, le premier weekend de février 2025. On n’a pas encore de titre exact mais il s’agira de discuter de financement et des structurations communautaires du logiciel libre pour les prochaines années.

Si vous souhaitez signer la lettre, merci de la publier sur votre site et de compléter le tableau au bas de ce pad : pad.public.cat/lettre-NCP-NGI

#ngi #publicMoneyPublicCode #floss

Votre attention SVP:

Peut-être que ça vous a échappé mais depuis 2020, les programmes Next Generation Internet, sous-branche du programme Horizon Europe de la Commission Européenne, financent en cascade le logiciel libre en Europe (via les appels de @nlnet). C’est un financement massif qui a permis de nombreux développement de logiciels libres ces dernières années et le tout sans trop de contraintes (avec trop peu de transparence et de suivi par ailleurs… ce qui est vraiment relou en soi mais qui...

Renaud Chaput

@hackstub @nlnet Hey, est-ce qu'il y a l'équivalent en anglais, que je voie pour que le projet Mastodon signe aussi et le relaie ?

Hackstub

As @techcultivation has learned from insiders:

- AI has been given top priority politically (EU Commission)
- NGI and other topics have been cut from the 2025 plan to free up budget for a big AI initiative
- the decision for this was made last year and has nothing to do with the recent EU elections
- since the process is far along and there is a lot of political pressure on the AI topic, they do not see much chance for this decision to be reversed for 2025
- they do believe that NGI and open source remain a priority for the EU and will be reinstated in the 2026/27 plan
- the German government will support the reintroduction in 2026/27

As @techcultivation has learned from insiders:

- AI has been given top priority politically (EU Commission)
- NGI and other topics have been cut from the 2025 plan to free up budget for a big AI initiative
- the decision for this was made last year and has nothing to do with the recent EU elections
- since the process is far along and there is a lot of political pressure on the AI topic, they do not see much chance for this decision to be reversed for 2025
- they do believe that NGI and open source...

Esther Payne :bisexual_flag:

@hackstub @techcultivation I hope it does come back.

What @NGIZero and @nlnet do needs to be replicated around the world.

#fosssustainability is about more than the money. It's about the community. We have very complex issues to solve and we need many minds and many lived experiences to solve them and not do further harm to our societies.

It's been amazing to see the funded projects on the NLnet site.

nlnet.nl/project/

That's what we could lose if we don't get cascade funding back.

John Livingston

@hackstub

En publiant la lettre sur mon site, je peux mettre le lien vers le pad ? (pour la liste des signataires à jour)

Hackstub

@John_Livingston Merci pour la signature ! Est-ce que tu peux préciser ton statut et ton pays ? On vient d'ajouter les cases correspondantes sur le pad ! Merci !

John Livingston

@hackstub
J'ai mis "auto-entrepreneur", mais si vous voulez remplacer par un truc plus concis, genre «indé'», faites vous plaisir :)

gwil

@hackstub @nlnet Taking bets on whether the AI bubble will have burst by the time this fund is announced

Ludovic Courtès

@hackstub Are there public statements from NGI folks or from @nlnet about this? Where can we learn more about the “Cluster 4” thing mentioned in the letter and the overall process?

Esther Payne :bisexual_flag:

@hackstub @nlnet Is there a list of open letters for the contact points for each country?

Xav'

@onepict @hackstub @nlnet
General “Find your NCP”:
horizoneuropencpportal.eu/find

Specific Cluster 4 NCPs (dedicated to digital matters):
ideal-ist.eu/representatives

General Cluster 4 NCPs (on Funding & Tenders Portal):
ec.europa.eu/info/funding-tend

Jens Finkhäuser

@hackstub @nlnet I'd sign with @interpeer , but I would need an English text.

Also, automatic translation seems a bit confusing. It seems to say that NGI has been dropped from cluster 4, but then lists NGI topics for cluster 4? That may need some rewording, or is just a translation artefact.

A link to the source for this on the EU websites may also be helpful to add to the text.

Nitrokey

@hackstub @nlnet Does anybody know a similar letter and initiative for German projects?

James Smith 💾

@hackstub thank you for writing the letter, and making noise about the problem! Do you know of a similar thing in English that I could sign on behalf of @manyfold?

ansuz / ऐरन

@hackstub a number of people asked about how to find National Contact Points for their country.

Hopefully somebody else can confirm that this is correct and narrow it down further, but I know that the EU Funding and Tenders Portal provides this page which lists NCPs for different countries and issues: ec.europa.eu/info/funding-tend

Keunes

@ansuz
That is indeed quite the list. In The Netherlands there are 38 contact points. Wondering if @nlnet would be able to provide some suggestions as to what folks outside France might undertake in support.
@hackstub

Marcos Dione

@hackstub did you really mean OOFDEM there? Fisrt weekend of February, Brussels... Didn't you mean FOSDEM?

elly
@hackstub Thank you for shining light on the situation. This does affect me directly, as we submitted proposal to NGI Zero.

I'm staying in Strasbourg until the end of next month, so I'll try to follow your steps before moving out.
FlowChainSensei

@hackstub @nlnet It would be nice if apparachiks stopped wasting money on fads (software AND crypto AND AI) and saw that the real issue is the WAY in which stuff is developed/written. #ngi

Daniel

@hackstub @nlnet We've seen a similar pattern with public grants in the startup domain.

They often require a startup being VC funded already in order to apply for public grants.

What this means in practice is that VCs systematically get to decide what gets built and what doesn't and public grants just piggyback on that.

VCs are all over AI right now and this means public grants will also go to in that direction.

Wild incentives at play here.

Debacle

@hackstub @nlnet

My impression is, that about every second #Jabber​/​#XMPP development is funded via this #EU program. Defunding it would be very bad for #digitalSovereignty and #freeSoftware.

@EUCommission, don't do that!

#AI #NGI

marcin mikołajczak
Where can I find the exact document for 2025 that doesn’t include NGI?
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