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 @MastodonEngineering Just saying, releasing a major security update on one of the biggest holidays per capita in the world is an interesting play. Edit: As feedback, please make it a policy to check the national holidays list for the top 5 deployed countries before scheduling important work. Don't deploy intoxicated, people! 34 comments
@ZacBelado @MastodonEngineering "One of the biggest holidays per capita." Not "The biggest". :blobcatcoffee: @shanie @MastodonEngineering I can't see that a US holiday is a reason to not release a security update. @ZacBelado I believe in having a holiday be a holiday. Just because maintaining a U.S.-based Mastodon instance (more in the US than anywhere btw) is not a "real job", doesn't mean it isn't an interruption to festivities with that two-day warning. It would be a kindness to check the national holiday chart of the top 5 countries where servers are operated, just saying.  @shanie @ZacBelado It’s an update for a major security flaw. I prefer to get it as soon as it has been tested properly, regardless of other people’s holiday plans. Updating a mastodon instance of moderate size is quite easy and updating a small instance in docker is just a ridiculously simple and quick task. Just set away time for an extended bathroom break with a tablet. @chris @ZacBelado Honestly, if it were urgent, they would have released it immediately as they have in the past. If it's not a known ITW attack, it can wait for a holiday.  @shanie @MastodonEngineering @esther All while asking asking a group of volunteers that deserve some downtime to be sure to patch in a timely manner is tone deaf af @shanie @MastodonEngineering Members of U.S. Mastodon servers are about to find out whether their Admins have a life or not.  @benaryorg You missed the "one of the" just before "biggest holidays per capita in the world" but that's okay, I'm sure you see it now. @benaryorg I really don't care, I expect @MastodonEngineering to *also* be paying attention to anything from Chinese New Year to Oktoberfest, even if Oktoberfest doesn't hold a candle to the US's Independence Day. @benaryorg @MastodonEngineering Mostly because patching on Oktoberfest is extremely dangerous.  @shanie @MastodonEngineering if you don't count e.g., china (1.4billion people) or India (1.4 billion people) and their national holidays i guess? @4censord "One of the" includes India too, and China. Sure "if you don't count china" you're correct, but "one of the biggest holidays per capita in the world" still includes China, still includes India. I mean I'm not sure if you were trying to be nitpicky? The grammar holds up. I'm happy to say Oktoberfest is also one of the biggest holidays per capita, and far less people celebrate that. But I don't want a patch on Oktoberfest either, for obvious reasons. @shanie see, my confusion comes from the fact that i'd not have put "Independence Day in the USA" as one of the biggest holidays at all. We could argue that "Independence Day in general" is one of the biggest holidays, but every country seems to have it on different dates. Mostly, on the dates of their revolution. And about Oktoberfest: might be important for many people, but i would not have seen it as "one of the biggest" holidays either. @shanie fair. Though AFAIK all/most of the mastodon core devs are European, so i'd guess it wasn't actually on purpose.  I *think* there are more inhabitants in the world for whom this is an average day than there are for whom this is a holiday... @shanie But does that mean most users? :) The admins need to do the work, but the users are those that are impacted :) For we admins are nothing without our users. @jan My appologies if that's how it was taken, "one of the biggest holidays" simply intended it's a large holiday for many people. But you are correct; I would have simply hoped that Mastodon team would have checked the national holiday list for the top 5 countries before setting the date (United States, France, Germany, Japan, Finland). Maybe the 5th. Or the 3rd. I dunno, man, I just work here. @jan @shanie @billbennett that's a pretty safe bet if it's not a holiday in China and India.  |
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