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Erin Kissane

Anyway the big fedi research project I’ve been on for six months is nearly ready for publication and there’s so much I’m excited about in it.

Having Mastodon be so central to the fediverse by the numbers means we could really use attention to these safety/humane conversation/good experience features here. I hope that happens.

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Yeshaya Lazarevich

@kissane at this point I'm hearing that for some people federation has become an anti-feature. I've been thinking about ways to separate different kinds of interaction into different services with a unified identity, for example a private chat, a public blog, a Fedi service...

Erin Kissane

@alter_kaker That could work too! Hometown does a version of that, which is great.

Yeshaya Lazarevich

@kissane do you mean with like local-only posting?

Erin Kissane

@alter_kaker Yeah, having some posts not federate at all kinda works as a private room inside the big galaxy, which seems like a start. My preference is always for the ability to create and dissolve private or more-private spaces on the fly, so I’m always hoping for that as an end-state.

Yeshaya Lazarevich

@kissane right. But at the same time, different types of interaction need different affordances (thank you for teaching me this word! ), so how can we make it possible to share a unified identity across all those?

Yeshaya Lazarevich

@kissane I guess I'm mixing two different issues here, and you might not want to be talking about both at once

Erin Kissane

@alter_kaker I think it’s mostly that I’m extremely sleepy so I’m going to tap out until tomorrow!

Erin Kissane

@alter_kaker I am “I never stop thinking about what Livejournal got right” years old but I think being able to finely and flexibly control groups and lists who can see posts helps a lot—in the LJ model anyone who could see a post could converse freely in the comments (unlike in Mastodon’s followers-only mode) turned those spaces into little pop-up committees with their own social norms. But there’s a lot to think about, for sure.

Jay

@kissane @alter_kaker That is exactly what I was thinking about when thinking about reading and writing access on this subject earlier. Wasn’t sure if it was both too mainstream and too old to cite, though…

And having seen LJ snark communities in action…yes, it can absolutely be abused. Bur so can group chats; to stop a group of people from being dicks ever you have to get rid of the people, first.

The other danger of drawing from LJ is pulling in roleplaying accounts.

UkeBLCatboy replied to Jay

@WhiteCatTamer @kissane @alter_kaker huh??? What's wrong with people enjoying roleplaying?? I don't really ever do it myself but I know people who enjoy it, I don't get the danger?

Or do you mean something different then I think?

I know some fandom people who like roleplaying as their fav characters for ships etc basically just fanfiction/fun with other fans (me not really, I prefer just writing fanfic 😂), what's the danger?

I'm confused ... 😕

Or is there some other meaning?

Esther Payne :bisexual_flag:

@kissane @alter_kaker yes I miss that granularity of post lists.

I miss Livejournal. It was great being able to decide who could reply or even see my posts.

I liked the group accounts as well.

jbaggs

@kissane I've been wavering on people's misgivings about "fedi" for awhile and well, I'm looking forward to what you've come up with .

Dan Goodin

@jbaggs @kissane

Yeah, I'm looking forward to reading your research too.

Erin Kissane

@dangoodin @jbaggs I wish I had a pub date but it’s not in our control so we’re waiting for that. It’s in early peer review this week, though!

Just Boby

@kissane So stoked about this, can’t wait! @misc can’t wait too, lol, right, Jesse? 😁

Raven Onthill

@kissane I like a lot of the things they're doing on Bluesky; well have to see how it evolves.

Montgomery Gator

@kissane Hypothetically, I can see some narrow issues. Using lists of people to block before saying something derogatory or hateful so they can't respond for example.

Thing is, this is one of those things we can't predict how it will work out until it's deployed. Maybe it will be wonderful, maybe it will be awful in some way we wouldn't have predicted. Hopefully it turns out good, having more tools to moderate your web experience is a welcome thing.

Thank you for telling us about this development!

@kissane Hypothetically, I can see some narrow issues. Using lists of people to block before saying something derogatory or hateful so they can't respond for example.

Thing is, this is one of those things we can't predict how it will work out until it's deployed. Maybe it will be wonderful, maybe it will be awful in some way we wouldn't have predicted. Hopefully it turns out good, having more tools to moderate your web experience is a welcome thing.

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