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Nafnlaus 🇮🇸 🇺🇦

@rysiek No, it's realism. You can't just propose a bill without first gaming out how the other side is going to respond.

Pretend that you're a rich person who adores their money and already spends their days jetsetting around the world. What tricks would YOU use? You can afford all the greatest accounting and legal minds in the world to help you come up with them, so they're going to be good!

If you haven't gamed this out, what you have is worthless.

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Nafnlaus 🇮🇸 🇺🇦

@rysiek Because the outcomes of the countermeasures may not be just neutral, they may actually end up harming ordinary people far more than they harm the wealthy.

The point of legislation isn't "showy stunts", it's "actual outcomes".

Game it out and defend your work, or stop wasting your breath and people's time.

Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@nafnlaus if you do think htis could harm people, please be specific on how.

Nafnlaus 🇮🇸 🇺🇦

@rysiek It depends entirely on the specific countermeasure in response to the specific policy, but can range from the money and jobs just leaving, companies wasting money on countermeasures rather than salaries, countermeasures leading to *reduced* revenues, and so forth.

Again: you need to *game out what countermeasure will be applied to what policy*.

Nafnlaus 🇮🇸 🇺🇦

@rysiek Lets just say that not only have you come up with some brilliant unescapable plan to tax the rich more but even keep them from leaving the country! Infallable, right?

Okay, now play a rich person. "Fuck this. Okay, now it's no longer "my money" and "my luxury", it's now "my company's". *I* don't have a private jet, but *my company* does. *I* don't have a beach house in Fiji, *my company* has a *small office* in Fiji. Etc.

Game out countermeasures, or your proposal is worthless.

Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@nafnlaus so you come in here to comment on a specific proposal put forth by Thomas Piketty, among others, and your comment is "game it out"?

No specific point, just: "maybe you should think of possible consequences"?

You honestly think that people behind this proposal, with years of experience in the field, haven't thought of that? :blobcatcoffee:

Anyway, the whole "rich people will leave the country" thing is a story rich people keep telling to not get taxed:
m.youtube.com/watch?v=hueRrG_u

@nafnlaus so you come in here to comment on a specific proposal put forth by Thomas Piketty, among others, and your comment is "game it out"?

No specific point, just: "maybe you should think of possible consequences"?

You honestly think that people behind this proposal, with years of experience in the field, haven't thought of that? :blobcatcoffee:

Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@nafnlaus and note, I am not saying anyone should accept anything just based on some real or assumed authority of anyone.

But coming into a thread about a proposal like that and just assuming that nobody got the idea to "game it out" before submitting, especially with people like Piketty being involved, is quite a thing to do!

Unless you have a specific point to make, a specific criticism beyond "the rich will move" (which they won't), we're done here.

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me and a bunch of stupid assholes are going to start a community in the middle of the desert to either die or prove a very important point

https://nitter.net/dril/status/435373709344251904

​:blobcatcoffee:​

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