Gregory's Server@drq @mo @BigFoxBoss
1.PolyTree here will create only one junction point and drop all other. What you will do if this dropping will be in other place, not you want?
2. I dont care physics/mathematics, i just want...
3. Do you even have an idea, how to add multiple messages as reply source for user? Anyway, it's complicated
4. Maybe it allow omit some duplicate messages in thread, but this is not very much, only about 5-10%. Discussion moves and thread grows anyway.
But this will allow to kill any thread by joining something big to it...
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 @BigFoxBoss We already have abilities and opportunities to mention a shitton of people at once, so it's a wash. Also, I already answered to how 3 will work under the hood. @BigFoxBoss By linking to a collective memory of people who already had this conversation. @BigFoxBoss In places where moderation is alive, yes, I expect some decency of people. Where it isn't, well... They can do pretty much whatever. @BigFoxBoss No, I expect the moderation to fend off spammers and trolls who would abuse a feature (any feature). @drq @BigFoxBoss @mo we do not have such amount of moderation. Why add potentially harmful features? Or you want use some AI for moderation like big corps? @mittorn Uh... We're already doing this. I mean, moderate abusers.  @mittorn we have better: Genuine Stupidity! (it's me, im stupid) @drq @mittorn @mo Bringing up a previously discussed topic or getting someone to reiterate a point previously stated is abuse or what? Spammers and feature abusers are an entirely different beast. > Bringing up a previously discussed topic or getting someone to reiterate a point previously stated is abuse or what? No, why? I'm talking about cases as described in: https://masturbated.one/@mittorn/112525266945060081 > Spammers and feature abusers are an entirely different beast. No they aren't. Spammers abuse technology to send spam. @drq @BigFoxBoss @mo this might be useful with premoderation, but not with postmoderation @BigFoxBoss Uhhh... those are separate topics, so... nothing? > Different not from each other, but different from people who may talk about a topic previously discussed or have a point being reiterated by someone Yes, and that's a very clear distinction, the latter are just talking, and the former use automated tools to send as much as possible, what's the question, again? @BigFoxBoss I already told you: by allowing reference. The number of "platinum threads" will be reduced, at least. Yes, threads will be bigger, they will be more long-lived, but there will be fewer of them. @drq @BigFoxBoss @mo so you just need reference tool, not multi-reply @mittorn Allowing reference as reply, gosh darn it. Do I have to reiterate everything in every post? @drq @BigFoxBoss @mo you asked for multiple entities in replyTo, not references and said that you do not want references (i do not want to search this post in so big thread now) @drq @BigFoxBoss @mo but it is not just a reference, but graph connection. And you asked to use not just single-root directional tree, so you wanted to change main graph @mittorn How is it "not just a reference"? It points to a previous point in conversation, semantically linking it with the current one. Which is almost textbook definition of a reference. @drq @BigFoxBoss @mo it is not just a reference, it is point by which user finds the thread and gets notifications and replies @drq @BigFoxBoss @mo but we use this references to build the thread. So changing it's semantic will change thread structure with all issues we discussed above @BigFoxBoss Every social network deals with note keeping, and note sharing. And they *are* organized, somehow. Could as well be organized differently. > Social networks are disposable by design. I disagree > Try to scroll through someone's garbage meme page to find something useful they said ages ago. That's archive organization issue, not the social network paradigm issue. @BigFoxBoss Because a blog is a type of personal archive - a journal, a diary. We discussed it the other day in the cryptography museum, it was a nice talk. @drq @BigFoxBoss @mo nobody will read big threads. Maybe, 2-3 doomscrollers, but anyway it is very few @drq @mittorn @mo I also told you if basic FAQ doesn't alleviate support centers from silly questions and squabble, then this feature is unlikely to prevent further dramas. @BigFoxBoss Well, if someone is being irrational to the point of being annoying, that's what's moderation for. @BigFoxBoss I would ban anybody being sufficiently annoying and abusive, no matter how they do it. @drq @mittorn @mo "This user made me reiterate, 'cuz they "didn;'t read the platinum thread"/"asked me many times making me repeat", therefore they are annoying to me -> ban!" Since when ending up reiterating a point is considered abuse? :ablobfoxhyperowo: @BigFoxBoss Uhhh... You are not making sense and are putting words in my mouth at this point. @drq @BigFoxBoss @mo you want to introduce tooling that allows flood in almost semi-automate way @mittorn 2. We overhauled protocols in 2017. We can fucking do it again. 3. Up to the implementer, I guess. We can have an option to show additional parents or not, I think. 1. Well, this is not really a loop, is it. The graph still goes in one direction. Rendering is another question entirely, it may be up to the implementer. Maybe someone will actually build a graph view instead of linear feed. Who knows. The options are there, earlier you even suggested a few. 2. Everything breaks eventually. Ostatus broke. So will AP. |
@mittorn
1. Don't understand. Elaborate.
2. You heard me right, no need to be an ape, by "technicalities" I meant the Fedi's technical status quo, which can change.
3. Shit, that I do. You have a reply button on each post. This button adds a post into the list, not replaces it.
4. I see more, whole squabbles and dramas could have been avoided, in fact.
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@mittorn
1. Don't understand. Elaborate.
2. You heard me right, no need to be an ape, by "technicalities" I meant the Fedi's technical status quo, which can change.
3. Shit, that I do. You have a reply button on each post. This button adds a post into the list, not replaces it.
4. I see more, whole squabbles and dramas could have been avoided, in fact.