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mittorn

@drq @skobkin really, if you want to answer to multiple posts, you need break graph connection and build new. This helps keep implementation and UX simple, but with same abilities. Maybe we ability to embed "link" not to post, but to thread. Not usually url, but some reference. So starting new thread and posting reference to old thread will make it as separate "subthread" which does not embed to original thread, but opens separately. In this case we will not have loops or stranges in UX.

29 May 2024 at 14:13 | Wall-to-wall | Open on masturbated.one
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Dr. Quadragon ❌

@mittorn It becomes too cumbersome then, and breaks semantics.

I got 3 near-identical or adjacent replies, goddamnit.

I need to *reply to* all of them.

Not "post a link to some message". Not "link to thread of subthreads of subthreads".

Reply. Much like I would reply to three humans standing right next to me

@skobkin

29 May 2024 at 14:17 | Open on mastodon.ml
mittorn

@drq @skobkin but other in this thread do not want to see and read same subthread in multiple threads. Also, it makes reading such threads little complicated, when you see same branches many times

29 May 2024 at 14:19 | Open on masturbated.one
BigFoxBoss

@drq @mittorn @skobkin
Doesn't "mention" already do that? Like, you could also link three posts in a reply, mention and/or summarize what you're replying to.

Also, I fell like this discussion has been brought up before, I got a strange feeling of deja'vu :blobfoxglare:

29 May 2024 at 14:21 | Open on masturbated.one
Dr. Quadragon ❌ replied to BigFoxBoss

@BigFoxBoss Mention mentions people. It's all it does.

In-reply-to marks a message as a thing-that-this-message-is-a-reply-to-in-this-particular-conversation. Which is what I want.

@mittorn @skobkin

29 May 2024 at 14:24 | Open on mastodon.ml
BigFoxBoss replied to Dr. Quadragon ❌

@drq @mittorn @skobkin
It's as if we're trying to crossbreed chat mechaniccs with microblogging platform.

Matrix has a thing called "discuss" when message is right clicked. It is as if some people went private with their discussion thread away from the main thread, except it's not public. If it becomes public, then it just becomes yet another thread where everyone is free to join and the whole point of "reply-to-convo" thing collapses again :blobfoxthink:

29 May 2024 at 14:29 | Open on masturbated.one
Dr. Quadragon ❌ replied to BigFoxBoss

@BigFoxBoss Errrmm... no?

What you're describing is making an offshoot thread. Which is what I'm trying to avoid.

@mittorn @skobkin

29 May 2024 at 14:33 | Open on mastodon.ml
BigFoxBoss replied to Dr. Quadragon ❌

@drq @mittorn @skobkin
You complain about already getting offshoot threads, many people asking/saying similar things, wanting to reply to all of them, and you want to solve that in-place right?

Within a thread: mention them in the _reply_ to the original post to (hopefully) redirect them to a different branch for a discussion.
Outside thread: dedicated post, literal offshoot thread, which I'm guessing is not what you want.

As for the technical side of things, not everyone would want a "quote-tweet" thing if it would break compatibility and/or ddos them when hellthread inevitably erupts somewhere. Some if not most servers would flip the switch to disable "quote-tweet".
Something else should be done.

@drq @mittorn @skobkin
You complain about already getting offshoot threads, many people asking/saying similar things, wanting to reply to all of them, and you want to solve that in-place right?

Within a thread: mention them in the _reply_ to the original post to (hopefully) redirect them to a different branch for a discussion.
Outside thread: dedicated post, literal offshoot thread, which I'm guessing is not what you want.

29 May 2024 at 14:45 | Open on masturbated.one
Dr. Quadragon ❌ replied to BigFoxBoss

@BigFoxBoss I don't want "hopefully", I want proper, parsable semantics.

@mittorn @skobkin

29 May 2024 at 14:48 | Open on mastodon.ml
BigFoxBoss replied to Dr. Quadragon ❌

@drq @mittorn @skobkin
It's like trying to make toaster-refrigerator hybrid. Platforms made for entirely different goals.

Old-school forums were literally made to discuss topics, not "blog" about life or something else. "Offtopic" was chastised, so things won't turn into a mess. Yet you could quote one or two users by using "quote" and it linked a user by straight up mentioning them.
If some thread turns into another type of discussoin which is not necessarily offtopic, users either agree to create a separate topic, or they just keep it in, since it is probably meaningful to the thread in general.

Comments on posts in twitter, fedi, heck even news and imageboards while being used like a chat look like a mess anyway and rely on links and visuals to be followed more or less easily.

Chats like discord/matrix, it is easy to see in chat UI/UX when you've been added to a group chat or have specific discussion started.

Here, in fedi, not much exists for merging separate threads into one by different people, because it wasn't made for chatting specifically, and it's only natural for threads to diverge eventually.

@drq @mittorn @skobkin
It's like trying to make toaster-refrigerator hybrid. Platforms made for entirely different goals.

Old-school forums were literally made to discuss topics, not "blog" about life or something else. "Offtopic" was chastised, so things won't turn into a mess. Yet you could quote one or two users by using "quote" and it linked a user by straight up mentioning them.
If some thread turns into another type of discussoin which is not...

29 May 2024 at 14:59 | Open on masturbated.one
mittorn

@drq @skobkin and what if we have in other branch 2 replies to 2 different messages in thread. Ok, we break the loop. First message get answer. But second replies disappears as it already showed in another branch of thread. And... we missed answer here. Answer exist, but it unconnected now. I mean this by missing answers.
And most of users do not want big graphs. They want linear threads. Small linear threads. They like stories. They like tiktok. Both show content in linear way. Regular user will run away if see big graph

@drq @skobkin and what if we have in other branch 2 replies to 2 different messages in thread. Ok, we break the loop. First message get answer. But second replies disappears as it already showed in another branch of thread. And... we missed answer here. Answer exist, but it unconnected now. I mean this by missing answers.
And most of users do not want big graphs. They want linear threads. Small linear threads. They like stories. They like tiktok....

29 May 2024 at 14:23 | Open on masturbated.one
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