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Jörg Seidel

@davidho
The answer to "how do i charge my vehicle in the city" is "you don't, you keep it out of the city". At least for big cities. Cars are not suitable for dense areas. Bikes and Busses are much better.

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Peter Krupa

@lostgen @davidho yeah, plus this permanently turns curb lanes into parking. no bus/taxi lanes, no trash management, no bike lanes, no parklets or widened sidewalks, just permanent publicly-subsidized car infrastructure.

Bart Van de Poel

@lostgen @davidho People in cities also have cars, and they agree with you that people from outside the city should come by public transport. I always do. This specific kind of infrastructure is for people living in that city, not for those outside it who probably have a driveway where they can charge their car and can't wait 12 hours for their car to charge. Even in cities with perfect bike and public transport infrastructure people still have cars. And yes it can be useful for shared cars too.

Jörg Seidel

@bartvdpoel
Yes, I know that people in cities also have cars. I live in one. And i think the cars are a real problem. They make me be incredibly slow with my bike. I would 10min faster to work if everyone that can uses bikes, subway or bus. Which is nearly everyone there is.
@davidho

Bart Van de Poel

@lostgen @davidho When I lived in Antwerp we didn't have a car either. If I lived there still I probably wouldn't have a car, it's more a problem than a sollution. Antwerp has quite good bike infrastructure and Park and Rides at the edges and a lot of car free streets. It has improved a lot for pedestrians, people taking public transport and cyclists. So I know exactly what you mean and I don't disagree that a liveable city should be the priority.

Jörg Seidel

@bartvdpoel
exactly. bikes are even the fastest way of moving around. and they would be even faster if they didn't have to wait for cars all the time
@davidho

Bart Van de Poel

@lostgen @davidho My daughter rides the e-bike to university every day. Takes her at least 20 minutes shorter than driving. Car traffic around Antwerp is horrible. I also left the car at home before covid and took the train or bike to get to work. Now I mostly work from home.

Archie

@lostgen @davidho Electric mopeds are the best solution for cities

abm0

@Archie8 @lostgen @davidho I wouldn't ride one in the rain. I could take it seriously if you were talking hybrid pedal/electric velomobiles, but those require even more parking space than mopeds, and you're right back at having to mess up city design to solve the problem of parking spaces, not a lot of improvement vs. the "cars for everyone" scenario.

Really the best for cities would be walk everywhere if it's a short distance, take public transport if it's longer distance, special lanes allowed for emergency services, and taxis allowed only for special cases like people with disabilities (should need a registration or written justification for taking a taxi). And get personal cars off the streets to ensure every other mode of transport works way better (personal cars are the biggest source of unpredictability in traffic, the main reason automated driving is proving to be such a hard problem - they stupidly assumed we should maintain a world of chaotic personal cars that are all eachother's potential enemies that must be carefully watched by cameras at all times, when they could've made it all just one central algorithm per city and hugely simplified the problem).

@Archie8 @lostgen @davidho I wouldn't ride one in the rain. I could take it seriously if you were talking hybrid pedal/electric velomobiles, but those require even more parking space than mopeds, and you're right back at having to mess up city design to solve the problem of parking spaces, not a lot of improvement vs. the "cars for everyone" scenario.

tanavit

@lostgen @davidho

I need to use my car to transport my very old father to, for example, his medical appointments in the city.
Bicycles or public transportation are not suitable for him.

Jörg Seidel

@tanavit
sure. you can use a taxi or a shared car. And this is already a very specific need. Most people just don't want to walk to the next bus stop or wait there.
@davidho

xyhhx :PunkFelix:

@lostgen the people hated him, for he spoke the truth
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mattg

@lostgen @davidho exactly, run more buses instead. The more infra for curbside charging, the harder it will be to eventually remove the cars.

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